Episode 13

Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire Review aka "Ominous Drumming"

Published on: 3rd April, 2024

We're not afraid of no ghost! This week we review Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire while also continuing our bracket of 2000s comedies.

You will also notice that Doug is not afraid of no practical joke! Marcus and Bryan try to enact some April Fool's day fun, and Doug remains cool under pressure. We get into some tough decisions with our bracket, before finally getting into Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire starring McKenna Grace, Emily Alyn Lind, Finn Wolfhard, and Paul Rudd as well as Bill Murray, Ernie Hudson, and Dan Aykroyd.

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Transcript
::

Yeah,

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let's let's fucking let's fucking do this,

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then let's just fucking grip it.

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Let's grip it and rip it.

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Whoa.

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Welcome to Films of Black and White,

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everybody.

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Marcus, are you okay?

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Oh, yeah, I'm good.

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Okay, okay.

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Those air horns were a little out there.

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They were a little out there.

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For anybody tuning in,

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you just got a live and in living color

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clip of what I can only assume.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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Let's move on.

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Let's move on.

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That we are still hearing, by the way,

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which we are still hearing

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in an audio format.

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I am so excited to be with you all.

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It's a great Monday.

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Happy belated Easter, everybody.

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Happy April Fool's Day from yours truly,

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The Fool.

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We got a great episode.

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I know I say it every week,

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but I am amped to the 10th

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degree for the episode that

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we have for you all.

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We are going to bus all over

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this place and talk.

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Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire.

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And then we are also going

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to talk the elite eight of

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our comedy bracket showdown.

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We inch ever closer to the championship.

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And so very excited to get into that.

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But before we do that,

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and before we get all up on it,

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Brian Roush, a.k.a.

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something strange, something weird.

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How are you feeling, sir?

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Who are you going to call?

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uh yeah I'm feeling good I'm

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feeling yes yes you can

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call me uh feeling good to

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be here I feel like we got

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a big show like our ghost

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we're doing a ghostbusters

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review like we haven't done

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a deep dive into a

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franchise movie in a minute

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so I'm excited I'm excited

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to get into it and and take

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it all apart because this

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it was a lot it was

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happening here there's a lot in there

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there's a lot in there and

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brian I am very excited to

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talk about this with you

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all um very excited to hear

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about it uh brian did the

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children's have a good

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easter they did they had a

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great easter they were

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healthy let's start there

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everybody's healthy which

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great uh that hasn't been

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the case uh so they got

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they got two easter egg

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hunts one at my house and

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then one at my wife's father's house

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So two Easter egg hunts, a ton of candy.

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They're all amped up.

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So I'm sure there's going to

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be really stale jelly beans

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in the corners of my house

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by the end of the week.

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So that's what I'm looking forward to.

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If you can't have stale

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jelly beans in the corners of your house,

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where can you?

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Just disgusting.

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Just disgusting.

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That's gross.

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So what about yourself, Doug?

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How are you?

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Great.

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I spent eight hours in the

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car with my children today.

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uh coming back from my

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in-laws for the easter

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holiday so if I seem a

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little everywhere

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everything all at once it's

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because I've had a lot of

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like pent-up energy uh for

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the past eight hours so

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okay uh things are good I'm

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very excited about it uh

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and I'm just I was very I'm

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pumped to talk about the

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movie pumped about the

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bracket and all things are

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good we also had two easter egg hunts

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One on Saturday, like a community one.

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And then we had one

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yesterday with the kids.

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Yes,

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we are going to have chocolate bunnies

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and jelly beans forever because Brian,

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I don't know about your kids, but my kids,

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they get like into their candy.

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And then about after like two weeks,

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they've moved on to like a

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different dessert.

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And yeah.

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It's kind of like natural selection,

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like all the good stuff.

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You know what the good stuff is.

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They go for the good stuff.

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You go for your chocolate,

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your chocolate bunnies.

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You go for like your your

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Cadbury eggs if you're into that.

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And then like you get down to like, oh,

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like,

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do I really want sour patch jelly

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beans that are two weeks old?

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Probably not.

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And then all of it gets out.

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So all of it moves on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But Marcus J. Destin, a.k.a.

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Marcus Bussin Incorporated.

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How are you feeling, sir?

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Good year.

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How's the game?

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Live and in living color,

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I turned the game off, Doug.

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Oh, I mean, I have the score up.

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I have the score up.

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Currently,

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the Hawkeyes are up by 80 to the

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LSU Tigers at 47.

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It's not the way that I want it.

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It's not looking too good,

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but I turned it off.

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My bad, everybody.

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The volume was playing in the background.

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We're humans.

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It's all good.

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My fault.

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I'm going to be on his ass

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about it for the remainder

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of this episode.

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So we should just be prepared.

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I had a weird feeling about that.

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Be prepared!

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It's all good.

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here, live in the living color,

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ready to follow my guys,

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ready to talk about the movie,

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The Bracket.

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We got a lot going on, so let's get to it.

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Ooh, good.

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Glad, glad you are here.

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Glad to chat The Bracket and

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the movie with you.

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Just excited to get a ball in it.

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So, Brian Rausch,

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before we get into Catch

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That Quotable and the

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remainder of our episode,

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will you please tell the

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people how they can stay in

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touch with us?

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This is also the time I'm

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going to tell you,

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spoiler warning for

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everything Ghostbusters.

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Ghostbusters Frozen Empire,

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every Ghostbusters movie,

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even the one that came out in 2016.

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I'm sure we're going to talk

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about that at some point.

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So spoiler warning for

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anything Ghostbusters.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So yeah, thank you, Brian,

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for laying that down as best you can.

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We don't have a quote this week, y'all.

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So there was no user-submitted quote.

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Really?

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So we are quote-less for this week,

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which is fine.

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Sometimes you need a break.

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Sometimes you need a little time off.

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Sometimes you'll need to R&R.

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Minus Brian's miraculous

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comeback with the quote last week.

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We've struggled.

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So maybe we just needed some

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time to recover, which is fine.

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That's fine.

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But in the time that we have,

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anything that you all from,

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whether that's news or

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whether that's anything

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else that you all want to

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chat about from around the

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horn before we get into the bracket?

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Also, this is unprepared and on the fly,

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so if you don't have anything,

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that is also fine.

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So I'm going to go ahead and

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take the awkward silence in

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an audio format as, no, Doug,

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we don't have anything.

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This is fine.

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That's fine.

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I feel like we could have

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got at least a little bit

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of better heads up or like a pre-pro.

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Remember when I said I was

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driving all day?

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No, I understand.

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But, you know,

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a little message would have like,

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you know what I mean?

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So we could have prepped for the podcast.

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I mean, like, it's not unreasonable.

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I get it.

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I just, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Now it's like a live audio experience.

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It's kind of just like

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ruined a little bit because

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I don't feel prepared.

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You know what?

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Fuck them.

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This is our show.

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Hey, even players fuck up too.

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So this is fine.

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And the best part is I can

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cut all of this out and the

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people who are listening to

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it on Wednesday,

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they're never going to know.

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It's just not the same.

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It's just not the same.

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What do you mean it's not the same?

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It's fine.

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We're good.

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We're being adaptable.

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I'm fucking up the flow of the show, man.

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Oh, no.

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Not at all.

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Because we're going to pivot

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right into Brian.

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Brian,

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let's get after that Elite 8 bracket

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since we are catch that

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quotable list today.

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Pivot.

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We're going to pivot.

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Corpo speak.

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We're going to pivot.

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That is fine.

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Pivot to a more synergistic format.

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Good friends reference.

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Marcus loves friends.

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I actually hate friends.

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It's his favorite show.

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I mean, he does.

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He does.

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But, you know,

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we're just going to pivot like Ross.

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Okay.

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I'm going to pull up this bracket.

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I'm going to pull up this bracket.

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Please do.

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As Brian pulls us up,

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let me remind everybody

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what we've been doing so

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far for the past two weeks

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and kind of get everybody up to speed.

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So at the beginning of March, yeah,

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like a few weeks ago,

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we started right around

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when March Madness started.

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We did our 2000 comedies bracket.

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We started with a group of

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32 different comedy movies,

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and we have inched our way

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closer to getting to sort

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of a final four championship setup.

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Last week we did the sweet

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16 week before we did the group of 32.

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And so to this week,

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we have some tougher

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decisions to make by doing

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the elite eight matchups.

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And so we've kind of whittled them down.

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And before we jump into it,

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one thing that we sort of

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talked about on our episode

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last week is other criteria,

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because at this point in time,

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We have sort of said which ones we prefer.

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So my question to you all,

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and I am prepared for this

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if we want to do it,

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do we want to have there to

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be like a Rotten Tomatoes

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score or a box office as

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sort of the sway either way?

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Now, obviously,

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box office numbers are

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subject to what they're up against.

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That's not a great measurement.

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But are there other things

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that you all want to

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consider as we start to

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talk about getting this

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down to a Final Four type setup?

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I mean, at this point,

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I feel like it's we're just

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we're just talking about

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what's the better movie, though.

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I feel like I don't know if

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a Rotten Tomatoes is going to sway that.

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I don't know.

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Or like a box office.

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I don't know.

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Do you have any feelings on that, Marcus?

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No, I don't care.

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Don't care.

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Don't care.

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OK, well,

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then we'll just go with what

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we've been going with this whole time,

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which is talking about the

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better movie and go.

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OK.

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So, Brian,

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what's that first matchup we got?

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All right.

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Well,

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we're going to just jump right into it.

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And we knew we were going to

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really have a hard time with it.

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So it's the 40 year old

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virgin versus the hangover.

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You've got Steve Carell

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versus Zaf Galifianakis.

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You got you got I don't know,

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someone working at an

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electronic store versus

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people getting lost and doing a memento.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I ran out of gas for that reference.

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But yeah, here we are.

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Here we are.

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That's fine.

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I'll go first.

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Just because I feel like

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I've had a lot of time to

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think about this particular

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matchup and to sort of comb through it.

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In your eight hours in the car.

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In my eight hours each way, remember,

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in the car.

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For me, it's the hangover.

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As much as I like the 40-year-old virgin,

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I think that...

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The impact that The Hangover

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had on the cultural folks at the time,

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we still come back to it as

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sort of like references.

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I mean, when there was... Remember...

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Jason Kelsey showed up to or

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there was that whole like

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thing where they were like

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putting his head on Zach

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Galifianakis body and make

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it seem like he was in Vegas.

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I think there's a lot of

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things that still have some

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staying power and some

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reference in our times

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today where the 40 year old

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virgin is great.

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I mean, it is.

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Yes.

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You know, they did.

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They did knocked up first.

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And that was like the first

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of the Judd Apatow like comedies.

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But the 40 year old virgin

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sort of like perfected that

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sort of style and took it

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to another level.

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But for me,

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I think the hangover is is the

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better of the two.

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Yeah,

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I think it's the hangover only

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because and we're just

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we're killing more darlings here.

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It is.

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It gets to the point faster,

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I think is like what this

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is coming down to.

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And you look at something

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like 40 year old virgin and

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it's just like.

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Alright, we get it.

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We get the premise.

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We get it.

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You can move it along a little bit here.

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But it's still funny,

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and part of the funny is the slow burn,

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but man, Hangover,

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it's like every three

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minutes you're laughing, no matter what.

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Something for everybody.

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So, I don't know.

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Marcus,

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do you have a dissent for the

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40-year-old virgin?

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No, I'll go Hangover.

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You're going what?

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I'll go Hangover.

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Okay, going hangover, going hangover.

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All right, there it is.

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That's a hangover.

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Boom, locked in.

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It's in the final four.

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Goodbye,

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Steve Carell and the 40-year-old virgin.

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The quick note I wanted to

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say is Todd Phillips directed it,

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even though it does feel

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like a Judd Apatow film, like 100%.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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And in terms of box office,

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this is the correct choice then as well,

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because The Hangover had

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$469 million at the box

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office to The 40-Year-Old

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Virgin's $177 million at the box office.

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That's a pretty hard margin

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to have to try to beat the spread on.

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So we got it right,

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but the box office would

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also support that decision as well.

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I mean,

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and both of these movies are well

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reviewed, too.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, these are not a bad.

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This isn't a bad way to

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spend your Saturday night

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on Rotten Tomatoes, though.

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The 40 year old virgin comes out on top.

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So critically,

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40 year old was received

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better than The Hangover.

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So I find that interesting.

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Yep.

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all right all right all

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right folks we're doing

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meet the parents versus

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teledega nights ricky bobby

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versus ben stiller being

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sad so um I it's our number

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four and number five seat

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here I'm really not I i

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don't know I'm gonna have

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to think about this one for

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a bit marcus do you want to

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maybe start thinking here

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not really not really why

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I don't know, man.

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I'm just throwing off.

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You know what?

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I don't think I can do it tonight.

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I'll talk to y'all later.

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That's fine.

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Live your life.

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Okay.

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So then we will carry on,

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and that is totally fine.

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So then 2006 is Talladega Nights,

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directed by Adam McKay.

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Meet the Parents came out in 2000,

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so there's a little bit of

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a gap there as well in terms of time.

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So box office for Talladega Nights,

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$163 million.

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And then the Meet the

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Parents had $330 million in

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terms of how we're going to

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level set this.

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So yeah.

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Brian, do you want to start us off?

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Do you want me to start us off?

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So Talladega Nights,

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I know that in our conversations,

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it's not one I voted for.

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A whole lot.

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So I'm trying to keep an open mind here.

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And I feel like with this,

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it's like all vibes to me.

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Also, it's just the two of us.

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So if we deadlock, we're, we're,

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we're done.

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We got to put the coin or something.

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All right.

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I'm just fucking with you.

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I couldn't do it, Marcus.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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I was fucking with you.

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You know what, though?

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It was so convincing that I

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was prepared to just let you go.

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I was like, no, Marcus needs his space.

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Fuck him.

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All right, we'll just fucking keep going.

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It was so uncomfortable.

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It was so uncomfortable.

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It was so funny because I texted,

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I messaged Brian last week and was like,

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I want to pull an April

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Fool's prank on Doug.

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You motherfuckers.

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But what fucked it up was we

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were supposed to do it

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during catch that quotable.

::

Yeah, you were like, no quote this week.

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And I was like, well, damn it.

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So I had to pick at this man

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being in the car with his

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kids for eight hours.

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I had to like pull something

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out of my ass.

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Yeah,

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you had to pick what you were going

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to be mad about.

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And I was, I know Doug, if I would have,

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I'd know me just saying like, yeah,

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I just can't do this.

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I knew his immediate

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reaction was going to be, yeah,

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that's fine.

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Like take the time you need to blah, blah,

::

blah, blah.

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Mason in the chat,

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I was about to text you if

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you were up there.

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Marcus,

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you've got all these people worried, man.

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Brian is the man for playing.

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Because he knew exactly when to ask you.

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Like, Marcus, what are you thinking?

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It's so much dead space.

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I'm just bugging with you.

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I am happy to be here, everybody.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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Good, I'm glad.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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You're fine.

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I did not mean to take a shot at you.

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That was just for the... Oh, no,

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I don't give a shit.

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It was fine.

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taking a shot at you in the

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car with your jeans for eight hours.

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We were supposed to have

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this fake back and forth during the quote,

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and then you're like, anyway,

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there's no quote.

::

And I was like, well,

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Marcus and I are going to

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ad-lib the hell out of this

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and yes and each other

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until we get it right.

::

You know what?

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I'm proud of the both of you.

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For sticking to your plan

::

regardless of the wrench

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that I had to throw in this whole thing.

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I'm surprised that that

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didn't throw you off when I was like,

::

well,

::

it just would have been nice to get a...

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holy buckets shout out to

::

doug because like I was

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also trying to make it as

::

uncomfortable as possible

::

and like I was like anyway

::

moving along meet the

::

parents and I'm like are

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you serious a professional

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to the fucking you guys

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that that little red button

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in the upper left hand

::

section of this says live

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which means we're live

::

which means there is no time to react

::

be mad I can be mad or upset

::

or more importantly because

::

I legitimately thought

::

something happened I could

::

check in with my guy like

::

once we get through this so

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for me it was keep this

::

fucking thing moving I was

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looking at I'm looking at

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the clock and I'm like

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we're about to hit 15

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minutes I'm gonna have to

::

make a play here so yeah

::

he's not baiting on it I

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thought that my non-

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Like, my, like, quick, like,

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hangover response was going

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to set him over the edge of, like, dude,

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you need to leave or something.

::

And then, like,

::

that was going to be my bait.

::

Nope.

::

Nope.

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I just... I just... I mean,

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this guy's got dead patience.

::

Keep this in your highlight reel,

::

because you just... You were...

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flipping professional and

::

I'm like ready to be like, Doug,

::

we can't do this with just the two of us.

::

You know who I thank for this?

::

I think all the years that I

::

had to do behind closed

::

doors in RA training where

::

you would walk into the scenario and it's

::

you don't know what's behind

::

that door but you gotta you

::

gotta fucking deal with it

::

and so shout out to my time

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in housing and residence

::

life because that prepared

::

me for this situation that

::

was good uh cool as a

::

cucumber yeah do you want

::

to do you want to go back

::

and tell us how you're

::

really doing now that

::

you're not making a play or

::

like I am good lsu just

::

lost I think that I think

::

that's pretty much at this

::

point I don't know why you

::

don't it's pretty much at

::

that point I don't

::

know why you don't want LSU to win.

::

Can I really quickly?

::

Yeah, for sure.

::

First off,

::

that stuff that we talked about

::

in the chat, so for folks who don't know,

::

they released a whole

::

Washington Post article and

::

it is all full of microaggressions.

::

Top to bottom.

::

All the L.A.

::

Times.

::

All the isms.

::

And it is rough.

::

Real rough to read where you're like,

::

who wrote this?

::

Someone from 1955?

::

Yeah.

::

With phrases like dirty debutantes.

::

What did he say?

::

Dirty debutantes versus America's team.

::

America's team and hot sauce

::

versus Louisiana hot sauce

::

versus milk and cookies.

::

Who are you?

::

I think just this season.

::

with when when angel reese

::

left the team right and we

::

were all like I mean and

::

they still because here's

::

the thing that bugs me and

::

everybody knows this I am a

::

big fan of like when you

::

are on a team sport team

::

first player second I've

::

always been that way that

::

is always I am on record of

::

being that way and we still

::

hear this like never really addressed

::

kind of dipped out,

::

had a little bit of an

::

argument with her coach,

::

or at least that's what was reported.

::

I wasn't in the locker room,

::

so I don't know.

::

Wouldn't have been

::

appropriate for me to be

::

there in any capacity.

::

I just wanted to get that out there.

::

Don't know why.

::

What a save.

::

Unnecessary save.

::

Saved you all from roasting

::

me for wanting to be there.

::

April, fool yourself.

::

Yeah.

::

I really did.

::

But people are still like, oh,

::

she's such a great player.

::

And I'm like, is she, though?

::

She is.

::

She has very good IQ.

::

She is a good player.

::

Angel Reese is a good player.

::

She's a very good player

::

because when everybody's

::

talking about Kaitlyn Clark,

::

Angel Reese is like

::

everybody who's in that top

::

four for women's basketball

::

right now is supposed to be there.

::

Juju Watkins.

::

Yes.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

The young lady that plays at UConn,

::

Caitlin Clark,

::

injuries and Flo Flo is a

::

Flo J. They were pronounced

::

Flo J. Johnson.

::

So like, yeah,

::

that is a great group of talent.

::

I think the hard part,

::

especially about women's sports,

::

is it's the narratives like

::

the narratives have much more weight.

::

And I think that Angel Reese

::

and Caitlin Clark,

::

they had to come out during

::

one of the interviews prior

::

to the game of like, no,

::

I don't hate Caitlin Clark.

::

When we're between the whistles,

::

we're competing.

::

And I just think it's hard

::

for them to beat a narrative,

::

especially now that women's basketball,

::

women's sports have gotten

::

to this point of how big it

::

should have always been.

::

Now you have to like,

::

you have to play that game of like,

::

If that dude would have

::

wrote that article about

::

LeBron and men's sport,

::

I think it hits a little bit differently.

::

You still have the race

::

component to play and a lot

::

of other different

::

microaggressions to play against.

::

But when it's women's sports,

::

they have to battle all of

::

these narratives and

::

disprove every single thing

::

and do all of these different things.

::

And those are pressures that they...

::

are always under because

::

they're like top athletes

::

but they haven't had like

::

this state at this state so

::

I think it's like maybe

::

she's a problem I would not

::

know I think half of it is

::

like her the way that they

::

depict her and also I agree

::

and also is the narrative

::

different if it's caitlyn

::

clark absent from

::

absolutely absolutely

::

because they're doing

::

they're doing the same

::

thing to caitlyn clark but

::

it looks different in a

::

different capacity right yes and so like

::

not to say that you wrote

::

like she could also be an

::

asshole you know what I

::

mean like we don't know we

::

just don't know we don't I

::

don't know I just think

::

it's weird that this

::

narrative pops up like

::

around women athletes when

::

men trash talk each other

::

all the time and oh yeah

::

kind of seen as this

::

footnote like jordan and

::

isaiah thomas if you really

::

want to pick rivals right like

::

Michael Jordan and him went

::

back and forth all the time.

::

And like Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese,

::

they're,

::

they're both going to be drafted

::

in the same year.

::

Probably they're going to be, it's them.

::

They're going to be around

::

each other for probably the

::

rest of their career.

::

So like, they're going to like,

::

from what I've heard,

::

cause they were doing an interview,

::

like a pregame interview

::

with Caitlin Clark, where she was like,

::

yeah,

::

if we don't make it out of this round,

::

I'm going to go try out for

::

the Olympic team.

::

Yeah.

::

And it's very possible that

::

you have the folks that

::

Marcus just listed off, Flo J. Johnson,

::

Paige Beckers, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese,

::

as your America's women's

::

basketball team.

::

Yeah.

::

Like representing the United

::

States in the Olympics,

::

which is holy shit.

::

Like a great fucking team.

::

2024 dream team.

::

Oh, a hundred percent.

::

Yeah.

::

So great, great point.

::

Anyway,

::

but this isn't basketballs in black

::

and white.

::

This is films in black and white.

::

We've got a bracket to talk about.

::

It would be a good one.

::

But Meet the Parents, Talladega Nights,

::

thoughts?

::

This is tough.

::

I mean, this is hard.

::

This is a four and a five.

::

Yeah, and it feels like that.

::

I mean, they've been separated.

::

These are a four and a five seed.

::

They have been kept separate

::

for two rounds.

::

This is not...

::

Okay, go ahead.

::

My immediate thoughts for me is,

::

I know we were kind of playing a game,

::

but when we were talking

::

about what are the standards,

::

like what are we looking at here now,

::

like when it comes to the bracket?

::

And I think for me,

::

right now I have to go

::

funniest because if I was to go,

::

If I was to go impactful,

::

I think Meet the Parents

::

would get my vote because I

::

think Meet the Parents

::

sparked a lot of that.

::

Doug mentioned it in another

::

episode of like that type

::

and style of comedy.

::

Yeah.

::

It sparked that.

::

Right.

::

And the casting is good and

::

all that other stuff.

::

But it still is like it's

::

not straight comedy.

::

And I think for that,

::

I have to go Talladega

::

Nights because there's much

::

more funnier moments and

::

pockets of funny in that

::

kind of Will Ferrell formula that exists.

::

So I'm going to go Talladega

::

Nights for me.

::

That's fair.

::

That's a good point.

::

I think for the same reason.

::

Sorry, Brent.

::

I think I'm going to go

::

Talladega Nights for the same reason.

::

This isn't about their

::

impact on being a trend or

::

changing things.

::

This is...

::

Are they funny or are they not?

::

For me, Talladega Nights is, I think,

::

a movie I laugh at more

::

than Meet the Parents.

::

I will watch Meet the Parents,

::

Meet the Fockers,

::

Meet the Little Fockers.

::

I will watch those on my own accord.

::

If I need something good to

::

watch and fall down a

::

rabbit hole of that style of comedy,

::

Talladega Nights is just

::

outright gut-busting funny

::

to me in this comparison.

::

Yeah,

::

I do feel like Talladega Knights is

::

the absurdist pick here.

::

I mean, and I mentioned that before.

::

And I did vote for Talladega

::

Knights in one of the rounds.

::

I just... Meet the Parents, to me,

::

is just...

::

my dissenting opinion here

::

is the way that meet the parents feet,

::

like makes me feel is so

::

unique than any other comedy movie.

::

And I feel like that is why

::

it gets my vote.

::

Like no other movie makes me

::

cringe in a comedy more than that movie.

::

Like just, uh, like I have nipples, Greg,

::

are you going to milk me?

::

Oh yeah.

::

One other movie says that, you know, like,

::

yep.

::

All right.

::

Congrats, Talladega Knights.

::

Oh my gosh.

::

Next week,

::

we're going to figure out the

::

Hangover versus Talladega Knights.

::

Good luck to us.

::

Oh boy.

::

White Chicks versus Step Brothers.

::

Okay, I'll go first.

::

Okay.

::

I'm going to – I do not want

::

this to be a Will Ferrell off.

::

I do not necessarily want it

::

to be a Will Ferrell off.

::

It's almost unavoidable, though.

::

It almost feels unavoidable

::

because here's my fear in

::

this pick as I'm processing out loud.

::

I feel like White Chicks may

::

have hit a wall here going

::

up against Step Brothers.

::

I agree.

::

And White Chicks is very good,

::

but Step Brothers is that

::

same reason that I just gave for, fuck,

::

I think that Will Ferrell

::

formula is a fucking cheat

::

code in this bracket.

::

Yeah.

::

I think the same reason I

::

just gave and picked

::

Talladega Nights is the

::

same reason I would have to

::

pick Step Brothers.

::

Culturally for me,

::

white chicks hold like a

::

more specific place in my heart.

::

There are definitely funny moments,

::

but Step Brothers has that

::

pockets of just, it's funny.

::

Like it's just funny throughout.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Before we get into others thoughts,

::

Step Brothers had a box

::

office of one hundred and

::

twenty eight million

::

dollars and White Chicks

::

had a box office of one

::

hundred and thirteen million dollars.

::

Both were smashes because

::

the White Chicks budget

::

thirty seven million Step

::

Brothers budget sixty five million.

::

Yeah, that matches it.

::

The weigh-ins are so good at

::

making something so

::

spectacular on such a small budget,

::

which I feel like shows their talent.

::

That's why studios love them.

::

I guarantee that's why the

::

studios love them.

::

I mean, man.

::

I'm going to have to do this

::

because I feel like I know

::

which direction this is going.

::

I'm going to cast my vote

::

for White Chicks because it

::

is going to be my dissent vote.

::

because I know that it's not going to win.

::

And just culturally,

::

I hold a responsibility to

::

just represent for white chicks here.

::

Because, I mean,

::

I'm going to pick Step Brothers because,

::

I mean,

::

same reason as the previous matchup,

::

right?

::

It's tough.

::

It's just hilarious.

::

Like, I laugh more,

::

and that is not – I think

::

we could say this about all

::

of the ones in this

::

particular round of the bracket,

::

and even the last round.

::

These are all really funny movies,

::

and it's what makes it so hard,

::

but Step Brothers is my pick.

::

It's a Wayans formula and a

::

Will Ferrell formula.

::

And these two motherfuckers

::

going head-to-head, like,

::

it's just tough.

::

They both work in different ways.

::

And I think what's hard here is, like,

::

Step Brothers is, like,

::

almost the end point of the

::

Will Ferrell 2000s comedy formula,

::

and White Chicks is, like,

::

in the... I don't know if

::

it's in the middle, but it's, like,

::

it's still figuring out, like,

::

the Wayans...

::

like form of comedy in a movie.

::

Like obviously they had it in scary movie,

::

but white chicks was still

::

pushing some boundaries,

::

which some of it to me then

::

gets a little inconsistent,

::

but I appreciate people

::

pushing boundaries.

::

But when you're looking for

::

like the consistency, that's I,

::

that's the thing that makes

::

the difference to me.

::

And that's what,

::

that's why I'm voting for stepbrothers,

::

but like, I don't feel good about it,

::

but yeah,

::

it's a specific taste yeah

::

then you get you get white

::

chicks then you get little

::

man then you get um haunted

::

house and meet the you know

::

I mean like that kind of

::

like yeah so so here's

::

another funny like thing

::

that the way in which these

::

movies are are similar

::

roger ebert gave each of

::

these movies one and a half stars

::

His quote about White Chicks is,

::

here is a film so dreary

::

and conventional that it

::

took an act of will to keep

::

me in the theater.

::

And then he said about Step Brothers,

::

he said, when did comedies get so mean?

::

Step Brothers has a premise

::

that might have produced a

::

good time at the movies, but when I left,

::

I felt a little unclean.

::

That's actually very true.

::

That's actually a good review.

::

It's a good summary.

::

Also,

::

Step Brothers almost got a rap album.

::

Adam McKay said on Twitter

::

in 2011 that they were

::

starting production of a

::

Step Brothers rap album,

::

but then later said that it

::

fell apart and it will not be released.

::

Wow.

::

There you go.

::

I think that would have

::

ruined Step Brothers.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

I mean...

::

Are you kidding me?

::

If that released at that time,

::

the amount of fervor and

::

feral anticipation for a

::

Will Ferrell type thing like that,

::

people would have bought it

::

just as a joke.

::

Yeah, boats and hoes on there,

::

and then you get like an Andy Samberg,

::

SML type.

::

Yeah, like, okay, never mind.

::

Yeah, you're right.

::

You can pump out eight to

::

ten songs and have three of them be good,

::

you know?

::

All right.

::

Okay, our last matchup of the night.

::

The weigh-ins are back in this one.

::

Scary Movie versus Dodgeball.

::

All right, I'm going to take this one too.

::

I'm going to start with Scary Movie.

::

Okay.

::

Because I think that Scary

::

Movie is way more...

::

funnier the pockets are

::

funny it's way more iconic

::

dodgeball is equally just

::

as good and deserves to be

::

a number two I think we

::

didn't have a ranking for

::

this like scary movie would

::

be much much higher I think

::

if we bracketed this out by

::

like number order we were

::

it was it was randomized

::

like I just hit a

::

randomizer yeah so I know

::

that it's not us putting it

::

as a 26 seed um yeah

::

I'm going to go Scary Movie.

::

I think that the Wayans Bros

::

formula is perfect here.

::

Dodgeball is still a good movie.

::

I cannot go further without

::

pushing Scary Movie past Dodgeball.

::

I'm sorry.

::

It just feels more iconic to

::

me and more funny.

::

It captures horror movies so well.

::

It captures the comedy in

::

horror movies so well.

::

It's like,

::

you're not supposed to laugh at that.

::

It made fun of Scream,

::

which was a massive fucking

::

horror movie hit movie in

::

such funny fucking ways.

::

And the shit that they did

::

in it was so absurd.

::

You were like, is that a dick pic?

::

And he has a micro penis?

::

And it's like, yo, there's so much shit.

::

You know what I mean?

::

I don't know.

::

no it it's here's the thing

::

is that dodgeball if I'm

::

going back to like

::

consistency like dodgeball

::

like it's gonna get like

::

one of these like it's

::

gonna get one of these

::

laughs out of me every five

::

minutes like yeah like

::

scary movie I will be rip

::

roaring laughing when one

::

of those jokes hit and it's

::

like it's like a bomb going

::

off and like it's

::

it takes an understanding of

::

the genre and then to

::

channel that through humor, I think is a,

::

is a talent.

::

I enjoy dodge ball, but I,

::

I think scary movie is the

::

more technical pick for me.

::

So I'm going with scary movie.

::

I was also going to go with scary movie.

::

So I'm glad this show.

::

And that's because I,

::

for all the reasons you all said, like,

::

I think it's,

::

I think it's more of a feat of comedy.

::

I mean, of the movies that it parodied one,

::

two, three, four, five, six, seven,

::

like 10 movies that were in

::

there that they were able

::

to weave into a coherent

::

story where it didn't feel

::

like it was jumping around

::

all over the place.

::

This is another example of them being two.

::

These were well matched up these years.

::

Like, um,

::

They both had a budget of

::

around $20 million.

::

So Dodgeball had a budget of $20 million.

::

Scary Movie had a budget of $19 million.

::

How much did Scary Movie make?

::

Scary Movie made $278

::

million at the box office.

::

Dodgeball made $168.4 million.

::

That's good, too.

::

Jesus Christ.

::

Both were given three stars

::

by Roger Ebert.

::

Seriously,

::

for critical reception and box

::

office and what they spent,

::

these movies are identical.

::

It's actually really good, actually.

::

I'm sorry.

::

I cannot get over the fact

::

that Dodgeball was a $20 million movie.

::

No.

::

And Scary Movie being only $20 million.

::

And back then, that could seem,

::

you know what I mean, whatever, but...

::

That's impressive.

::

Yeah, because it was 2000s.

::

It was $20 million in 2000,

::

where dodgeball was 2006...

::

I want to say.

::

Wow.

::

It was like 2004.

::

Oh, okay.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, yeah.

::

Like you don't even have to

::

adjust for inflation that much.

::

I mean, like 20 million,

::

20 million for that movie is just,

::

I can't get over that.

::

I need something more intelligent to say.

::

You would think the talent

::

would cost more than 20

::

million alone with Ben

::

Stiller and Vince Vaughn.

::

But yeah,

::

I guess it doesn't.

::

I guess the sets were cheap,

::

and you have no special effects.

::

Pretty much.

::

Roger Ebert said that of Dodgeball,

::

a miraculous gift to the audience,

::

20th Century Fox does not

::

reveal all of the best gags

::

in its trailer.

::

And then for Scary Movie,

::

it was... What did he say

::

about Scary Movie?

::

He said...

::

It was a delivers the goods,

::

calling the film a raucous,

::

satirical attack on all slasher movies.

::

He did try to say that it

::

was not as great as like

::

Airplane in terms of its innovation.

::

But throw that aside.

::

Disagree.

::

Hardcore.

::

Whatever.

::

Me too.

::

Hard disagree.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

I understand that that's the

::

parody originated book.

::

We have our work cut out for us, folks,

::

next week.

::

We'll have the championship matchup,

::

but before then,

::

we will need to decide the

::

Hangover versus Talladega Nights.

::

and Step Brothers vs. Scary Movie.

::

Man, what a bracket.

::

I'm going to try to watch

::

some of these this week,

::

just to try to remind myself.

::

I am going to try to watch

::

Scary Movie and at least

::

Talladega Nights because

::

those are the ones I

::

probably haven't seen the most.

::

Uh-huh.

::

But man, to be honest though,

::

if I were to be like, hey,

::

here's the final four for

::

the bracket and I listed these movies,

::

this feels right.

::

I mean, it does, yeah.

::

This feels good.

::

The hangover is the one that

::

sticks out like a sore

::

thumb because of the way

::

that it's... I don't know how to word it.

::

The way that it's shot.

::

It's shot like a movie comedy.

::

The rest of these are shot like...

::

sitcoming comedies yeah they

::

definitely have more of

::

like a bite-sized style to

::

them and so the like the

::

cinematic flair isn't there

::

as much where the hangover

::

you can tell they hired

::

like a photographer like it

::

feels like a not like an

::

epic but it's like this is

::

this is it's a movie

::

Well, the shot that I always think of is,

::

it's almost like the opening shot,

::

and it's also halfway through,

::

and it's when Bradley

::

Cooper's on the phone to the bride saying,

::

we lost Doug,

::

and it's him in the middle third,

::

but on the out thirds,

::

they've separated them where...

::

Zach Galifianakis is on one

::

side and the other one is

::

on the other side.

::

Like, it's just like, it's,

::

it's such a great shot,

::

like visually that they had

::

to have had some

::

cinematographer that was

::

like working overtime.

::

Oh, I mean, I hang on a second.

::

Like,

::

cause I think you're absolutely right.

::

And I think I found the image that you're,

::

you're talking about here.

::

Cause like,

::

I'm looking at this and now

::

thinking about what you said,

::

is this the one that you're thinking of?

::

Yep.

::

Yep.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

You're not seeing anything

::

like that in Talladega nights.

::

No, no, that is on purpose.

::

I mean, or stepbrothers like, I mean,

::

yeah.

::

And for listeners who aren't

::

on our live stream, I mean,

::

it's Bradley Cooper in the

::

foreground and it's like, it's,

::

it looks like a college dorm room poster.

::

I mean, it's perfect.

::

Like it's anyway, anyway,

::

this is a good reason for

::

you to join our live stream.

::

So you can see what we're talking about.

::

Join the live stream.

::

All right.

::

Well,

::

we have our work cut out for us next week,

::

folks.

::

Goodness gracious.

::

We really do.

::

Before we jump into Ghostbusters,

::

I just want to put in two

::

plugs that I think are important.

::

One,

::

we talked about poor things being

::

something that we all wanted to see.

::

If anyone is curious, it's on Hulu.

::

Oh.

::

You know what?

::

I got really confused,

::

because it's on Disney as well,

::

and now it all makes sense.

::

So, okay, good to know.

::

And the other thing is, look, y'all,

::

remember that movie Wish

::

that I didn't understand

::

was about a star?

::

That is also going to be on

::

Disney Plus at the end of this week.

::

So if you want to try to

::

figure out what that movie is,

::

and then let us know if I

::

just missed something huge...

::

by all means I'm my kids

::

will probably want to watch

::

that for friday family

::

movie night so you can

::

expect me to have

::

commentary on that for my

::

my dms are open to your

::

thoughts about the movie

::

wish and I'm gonna send you

::

all the spicy messages

::

about wish doug all my spicy hot

::

Spicy hot takes, Doug.

::

What else did you think I

::

was talking about?

::

Nothing, Brian.

::

Nothing.

::

I was thinking that you were

::

thinking nothing.

::

Do you want to get the spicy

::

messages from Brian about the Star movie?

::

To be honest,

::

I would only feel so lucky to

::

get the spicy message from

::

Brian about Wish.

::

Hey, Doug, you up?

::

I mean, I don't know what it would be,

::

but I'm...

::

You up?

::

That's fucking hilarious.

::

We gotta talk about Wish.

::

Alright, but more importantly,

::

we need to talk about

::

Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

So, spoiler warning.

::

Again,

::

we gave you a spoiler warning in the

::

midst of a elaborate practical joke.

::

You got a spoiler warning.

::

But now here's also another

::

real spoiler warning here as well.

::

But, Brian, Marcus,

::

or I'm also happy to do it,

::

Barbershop Summary

::

for Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

All right, what had happened was, imagine,

::

all right?

::

Imagine there's a prison,

::

but it's in a ball, all right?

::

And there's a ghost prison in the ball.

::

But there's another prison

::

that they be putting all

::

the ghosts in since like 87.

::

And it's clogged up like a

::

bad toilet with bad pipes, okay?

::

Because they just keep

::

stuffing shit in there.

::

And then nobody had an exit

::

strategy for all these damn ghosts.

::

They just keep stuffing them in a thing,

::

all right?

::

So now imagine the group

::

that we met in Ghostbusters Afterlife,

::

the group of Ghostbusters

::

are still Ghostbusting,

::

but now they have issues

::

with the mayor who's trying

::

to shut down the

::

Ghostbusters team because

::

they have a minor on the team, Phoebe.

::

Phoebe is only 15.

::

So he told her,

::

you got to sit your ass

::

down at least to 18 because

::

you can't do that.

::

That's illegal.

::

And he's been trying to find

::

a way to shut them down.

::

All right, cool.

::

So she's sad about it.

::

So she meets a ghost called Melody.

::

She plays chess with Melody in the park.

::

And Melody is trying to

::

convince her to become a

::

ghost so that she can meet

::

on the same dimensional plane.

::

Meanwhile,

::

they also run into a fire master.

::

They also run into a fire master who is...

::

God, what is his name?

::

Yes, I meant his movie name,

::

but I forgot what his name was.

::

Oh, Nadeem Razmati.

::

Nadeem Razmati.

::

Nadeem is the fire master, right?

::

But he doesn't know that,

::

so he gives away his grandmother's ball,

::

which was the prison that

::

the ghost is in.

::

Now,

::

the ghost that's inside the ball that

::

was a prison,

::

he can control other ghosts.

::

He can make them do whatever

::

it is that he wants them to, or it.

::

It can make it do,

::

ghosts do whatever it is

::

that it wants to do.

::

And so they find out, hey,

::

the little the firehouse is

::

a really a connector to the

::

major ghost line that is in

::

the world right above.

::

They didn't just buy it just to buy it.

::

But then they say, well,

::

we're running out of space

::

and this place is wacky and

::

the electricity don't work.

::

Oh, by the way,

::

we have a bigger ghost busting facility.

::

headquarters that has like

::

where we are pulling the

::

spirits out of haunted

::

items or whatever the fuck

::

is going on and so like you

::

have that the original

::

ghostbusters team comes

::

back the new ghostbusters

::

team is here and they all

::

have to like train the fire

::

master while phoebe has to

::

like gets betrayed by

::

melody the ghost and excuse

::

me and in the meantime they

::

phoebe turns into a ghost

::

leaves her body for like

::

two minutes in that two

::

minutes the the big the

::

ghost in the prison,

::

it takes over Phoebe to

::

sing the chant and then the chant goes,

::

Patton Oswalt is also in

::

there and the lions also

::

come to life again in

::

Ghostbusters because you

::

can't not have that happen.

::

Right.

::

Pretty much.

::

I mean, yeah,

::

and I just want to let listeners know,

::

if you're tuning in and you're like,

::

I just want to listen about this movie,

::

wow, Marcus seemed all over the place.

::

That is the movie.

::

He did the best he could

::

with what he was given.

::

He actually left stuff out.

::

Actually, I did not hit everything.

::

And now I'm going to take a break.

::

Yeah, you should.

::

That was a lot.

::

If I'm being transparent, I'm going to go.

::

Take a piss.

::

Go take care of yourself.

::

Bio break.

::

Yep, you got to do that.

::

But here, while Marcus is doing that,

::

let's run down the cast.

::

Brian, did you say a bio break?

::

A bio break.

::

Biological break.

::

I don't know why that was so funny.

::

It made me come back.

::

I'm going to piss myself.

::

That's my major league

::

gaming language right there.

::

A bio break.

::

That's hilarious.

::

Let's run down cast, box office,

::

and budget.

::

So Paul Rudd plays Gary Gruberson.

::

Carrie Coon plays Callie Spangler.

::

Finn Wolfhard plays Trevor Spangler.

::

McKenna Grace plays Phoebe Spangler.

::

Kumail Nanjiani plays Nadim Razmati.

::

Patton Oswalt plays Dr. Hubert Wartsky.

::

Celeste O'Connor is in this.

::

She plays Lucky.

::

You might remember her from

::

our Madam Web review.

::

I just wanted to put that out there.

::

Because Celeste O'Connor was in Madam Web.

::

Sure didn't.

::

Didn't remember that at all.

::

Great.

::

I'm going to pull that out.

::

Continue.

::

Sorry.

::

Thanks, Brian.

::

Logan Kim comes back and plays podcast.

::

Emily Allen Lind plays melody.

::

Bill Murray is back as Peter Rankman.

::

Dan Aykroyd is back as Ray Stantz.

::

Ernie Hudson is back as Winston Zettimore.

::

Annie Potts is back as Janine Melnitz.

::

William Atherton is back as Walter Peck,

::

this time as...

::

mayor um yes that's the

::

those are sort of the those

::

are sort of the big ones um

::

let's get you all a budget

::

estimated budget of around

::

100 million dollars give or

::

take um which is a lot um

::

opening weekend it made 45

::

million dollars so that was

::

just as a heads up we're a

::

Um,

::

and so far it's gross worldwide has

::

been $108 million, uh, give or take.

::

So as far as things are concerned,

::

it is about breaking even,

::

which in this day and age

::

with a complicated sequel, uh,

::

Kind of hard to keep track of.

::

There you go.

::

That's okay.

::

Nothing to thumb your nose at.

::

And then runtime, one hour and 55 minutes.

::

So just coming underneath

::

that two-hour mark.

::

Brian, before Marcus gets back,

::

do you remember the name of

::

the main big bad ghost?

::

Because I do not.

::

I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

::

No, but that's a good question.

::

That's a good question for this movie.

::

Because I could tell you the

::

ones of the other one.

::

I could tell you the

::

original one is Gozer.

::

And that was even in Afterlight.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

And then in Ghostbusters 2, it was...

::

It was.

::

Well, he's the Vigo.

::

Like, I can't remember his whole full name,

::

but I just remember what

::

the artist was talking about.

::

Yeah.

::

But yeah, that's I mean,

::

that Statue of Liberty and

::

Stay Puft Marshmallow.

::

Yeah.

::

2016.

::

I can't I can't tell you who

::

the villain was.

::

In the 2016 one.

::

I know that in the afterlife,

::

it was some demonic.

::

I don't know.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

Yep,

::

because that's where they found the

::

temple in Oklahoma.

::

That's right.

::

That was a second temple to Gozer.

::

Yes, so I looked it up.

::

The villain in Ghostbusters

::

Frozen Empire is Garaka.

::

There it is!

::

He's an ice demon and can

::

control other ghosts with telepathy.

::

That's a lot of information.

::

Yeah, you know, here's the thing, though.

::

If we're jumping right in,

::

they don't really talk

::

about the villain until...

::

way after, I'd say, the 45-minute mark.

::

Oh, yeah,

::

this movie is half over when they're like,

::

oh, yeah, the villain's name is Garaka.

::

And you don't even

::

understand why Garaka is

::

important until an hour 15, maybe?

::

Until he breaks out.

::

Because Patton Oswalt is

::

describing Garaka as Garaka

::

is breaking out.

::

Which, again,

::

is more than halfway at this movie being.

::

So I feel like we can be

::

forgiven that we didn't

::

know the villain's name off

::

the bat because we only

::

knew the villain for like

::

12 minutes of screen time

::

is what it felt like.

::

Maybe 30 minutes.

::

Accurate.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Gentlemen,

::

thoughts on Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

All right.

::

I want to get into the segment.

::

I want to allow my guys a

::

moment to stretch their

::

legs here a little bit.

::

Well,

::

there was a lot of conversations

::

about the extra shit that

::

happens in this.

::

There's a lot of extra shit.

::

Yes.

::

And I think that we

::

understand this movie would

::

be better in another form of media.

::

And so we're going to have a

::

little segment here that my

::

guys are going to take over

::

and I'm just going to

::

listen called Games in Black and White.

::

That's a fancy graphic.

::

So gentlemen, talk to me.

::

How would this work?

::

What was your thought process?

::

What triggered this?

::

How does Ghostbusters Frozen

::

Empire work better as a

::

video game than a movie?

::

I actually think we can

::

actually review this movie

::

as we talk about the video

::

game structure.

::

Actually,

::

I think it actually works perfectly.

::

And Doug,

::

you were very passionate about

::

this when we started

::

talking about it in the chat.

::

So why don't you kick us off?

::

And then I have some things I want to add.

::

so I also it is can I add

::

something before doug

::

starts I did not know as I

::

was coming back from the

::

bathroom that the jehovah

::

witnesses was working the

::

late night hours so it was

::

not oh oh wow who the hell

::

is this I know that's what

::

I said I know jesus and I

::

know he is not awake he

::

just wants to achieve an

::

iowa game and he's sleeping

::

now yeah he was gonna go to bed he's

::

Yeah,

::

he was... There were a lot of people

::

asking for a lot of... He was risen,

::

but now he is asleep.

::

A lot of people asking for

::

his time and attention

::

tonight for that basketball game.

::

Specifically from the Iowa area.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

And Van Leaf, or whatever her name is.

::

She's a good player.

::

Whatever, who couldn't guard Caitlyn.

::

She was praying the most.

::

She was struggling all night.

::

Please, please, please help me.

::

For the love of God.

::

So...

::

My initial thought wasn't

::

necessarily that this movie

::

in particular would be

::

better as a video game.

::

My main point was one of the

::

major themes that I think

::

works for this movie is

::

that it does kind of introduce...

::

Almost in a Men in Black style sort of way,

::

this whole division of

::

Ghostbusters Incorporated,

::

kind of to borrow what

::

Marcus' little chyron is.

::

Ghostbusters Incorporated.

::

We've done a lot of research.

::

Hey,

::

you know that ghost containment unit

::

that was in the original firehouse?

::

Yeah, it's old.

::

Well, we should replace it.

::

We already did.

::

And we have this big

::

elaborate thing where we

::

study the ghosts and there you have it.

::

And new proton packs.

::

And we put ghosts so people

::

can walk through like a

::

ghost zoo to observe the

::

ghosts and see like what

::

this is all about.

::

This kind of had like my

::

brain spinning a little bit

::

where you could lay the

::

foundation for a video game

::

that happens in the near

::

future where you join this

::

new like group in the science division.

::

Your first day is learning

::

how to use all the tools.

::

That's your that's your, you know, your.

::

tutorial training tutorial

::

yeah your tutorial you know

::

hey tilt that proton pack

::

up for me now go ahead and

::

tilt it down are you happy

::

with how that works now

::

phil tilt it left now tilt

::

it to the right hey you

::

seem like you have a really

::

good grasp on how this how

::

to use the proton

::

achievement unlocked that's

::

exactly how that's gonna

::

work add it to your utility bill yep

::

I'm excited to see what you

::

can do with it.

::

I want to put a pause right

::

there because you want to

::

know where I knew that that

::

had to be a thing?

::

Two points.

::

At the beginning of the movie,

::

the production company of

::

this movie is it's

::

What was it?

::

Oh, Ghost something.

::

We said it in the chat.

::

The actual production

::

company is Ghost Corps.

::

Yes, Ghost Corps.

::

Ghost Corps is the production company.

::

So that says a lot of like,

::

there's more of this coming.

::

The other part was at the end,

::

some of the tools that

::

you'll see or some of the

::

gear that they get.

::

There's somebody that has a proton pack,

::

but it's on her hand.

::

She's one of the original members.

::

Janine Melvitz.

::

She doesn't have a full proton pack,

::

but she has something on her hand.

::

hand yeah and I think that

::

that's what they would put

::

in the game sorry keep

::

going anyway oh yeah yeah

::

and so for me I thought

::

like okay so this follows

::

somebody who joins the

::

ghost core and right after they join

::

They are like all of the go

::

in the time between like

::

this movie ends and the

::

video game starts.

::

They filled up more of these

::

areas with ghosts in the

::

zoo and then they break out

::

and you have to go into an

::

open world style game

::

around New York where you have to.

::

get around New York,

::

recapture these ghosts.

::

But as you do that,

::

you're discovering that

::

this is a part of a bigger

::

problem and you could reintroduce goes,

::

or you could actually make

::

up a brand new one,

::

which I think would be great.

::

But one of the things we

::

were talking about is,

::

like Ray stance.

::

So like Ray and Venkman and all the others,

::

those are side missions to

::

help grow certain, you know,

::

parts of your character tree where,

::

you know, Oh,

::

you have a mission that you

::

have to do for Ray.

::

And when you finish it, Oh,

::

you've gained an experience

::

point for your ghost knowledge bracket.

::

Um, and you know,

::

when you finish one for bank minutes, oh,

::

you've,

::

you've gotten better at

::

psychoanalyzing and that

::

comes through in a dialogue boost,

::

a dialogue buff you get

::

when you're talking to

::

people to try to learn more about ghosts.

::

Like this could be a whole

::

thing of like getting

::

around town and having this

::

like open wide open world thing.

::

And what I really like about

::

it is then it provides you

::

the opportunity to play

::

with some of the folks from

::

this character where you

::

get to kind of see this family dynamic,

::

but as almost like an outsider where,

::

you know,

::

you're being bought in and you

::

have to train with Phoebe and the others.

::

And this would work really, really well.

::

Yeah.

::

I just – that's what I kept

::

going back to is like, yep,

::

give me this in a

::

Spider-Man 2-esque format

::

where I have to get around

::

Manhattan and bust ghosts.

::

I think the scene that this

::

movie opens up with,

::

with them riding around New

::

York trying to catch that dragon –

::

that's a fucking playable

::

moment in the game that's

::

the opening tutorial for me

::

I think that could be it

::

too having them side out

::

the slide door and where

::

you can learn to use the

::

photon pack is like that

::

proton pack is like that's

::

where you're gonna put it

::

and like here's how you

::

drive the car like the uh

::

the aerial drone and flying

::

yeah like that's a part of

::

it too like yeah

::

imagine watchdogs plus

::

spider-man yes I think that

::

that's I think that that

::

watchdogs comparison

::

spider-man 2 is a little

::

bit different I think it

::

does well with its side

::

missions and stuff like

::

that so I can see that

::

component mixed in but

::

definitely that watchdog

::

types vibes for

::

ghostbusters yep that's the

::

vibe I got that's what I

::

kept thinking about I was

::

like yeah that'd be fucking

::

awesome I'd play the hell

::

out of that where would you do it huh

::

Well, I want to hear from Brian too,

::

but where would you play it?

::

Is there a specific system?

::

Is this on the switch?

::

Is it on, you know, does it matter?

::

I think you'd want to have

::

it be as high definition as possible.

::

So I think a more modern,

::

like a modern console for sure.

::

Um,

::

I mean,

::

definitely your PlayStation and Xbox.

::

For sure.

::

I wouldn't make this an exclusive.

::

I'd want to have it be

::

cross-platform because the

::

other idea that you could

::

add into this is if your

::

friend has the game,

::

there are specific missions

::

where the four of you could

::

join up and be that's your team of four.

::

Yeah.

::

So like the main storyline

::

is something you can do by yourself.

::

That's for me.

::

But all the,

::

if you want to have your

::

friends do it to bust ghosts,

::

they can all join up and do it that way.

::

And you could make it player.

::

You could make it player

::

versus computer in the sense of like,

::

if you wanted to have two teams of four,

::

it's an arena where whoever

::

captures the most ghosts in

::

a two minute timeframe,

::

that's the winner.

::

And that's how you unlock other.

::

Wow.

::

Brian, what do you think?

::

Wow.

::

I mean, Doug is absolutely right.

::

And this movie feels like it

::

is structured like the main.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Is doing everything except the main quest.

::

Yep.

::

There's a whole thing with

::

Phoebe and a love interest.

::

I'm calling it a love interest.

::

oh it's a brian it's a love

::

interest all a duck that's

::

a love interest like we

::

have the side quest at the

::

firehouse we with slimer we

::

have a side quest for paul

::

rudd who's maybe a dad

::

let's actually yeah brian

::

keep going I want to

::

actually count this out

::

though for the audience

::

because oh that's three so

::

brian like can you start

::

from the top I really want

::

to count these out sure

::

So the ones I've covered so

::

far is we have the ghost romance.

::

Yes.

::

We have the Slimer side quest.

::

Yep.

::

We have the dad side quest, Paul Rudd.

::

Then we're going to the

::

Ghostbusters International office,

::

which is a side quest in itself.

::

Yep.

::

And then, of course, the main mission,

::

the main narrative story

::

mission being Garaka.

::

Yep.

::

Then there's another side

::

mission where you have to

::

investigate the Fire Masters.

::

And if you're listening to

::

this and you're like,

::

what's a Fire Master?

::

Don't worry, we're going to tell you.

::

After you get past the Fire Master,

::

you have this thing of like, oh,

::

we need to fix up the firehouse, kind of.

::

What are we going to do?

::

And then the last side quest is like,

::

you're in trouble with the city.

::

And they don't want Phoebe...

::

on the thing so she's now

::

exploring you know the

::

library with Dan Aykroyd so

::

that's those are like all

::

of the side quests

::

eight eight that is eight

::

different side quests in

::

addition seven seven seven

::

side quests in addition to

::

a main through line story

::

one one main quest six side

::

quests and and this

::

character if you watch this

::

movie it's like you know

::

what I'm gonna go check out

::

this ghost girlfriend and

::

you're like okay well like

::

what about the main

::

question like I can wait

::

I'm gonna go see if slime

::

if I can get slimer out of my attic

::

Yeah,

::

that's what's happening in this movie.

::

Can we talk about the ghost romance first?

::

Because I keep thinking about it.

::

this movie,

::

like the original pitch for

::

this movie was, okay,

::

Phoebe feels alone and she

::

falls head over heels for, wait for it,

::

a ghost.

::

And they're like, okay,

::

that's a little weird.

::

It's a male ghost, right?

::

They're like, wait a minute, not at all.

::

Because of modern times and

::

being inclusive.

::

And they were like, we're not sure,

::

but we're going to let you keep going.

::

And this whole thing in this

::

movie is like,

::

the tension between the two

::

of them and her pouty fuck

::

lips when the ghost is like

::

telling her like like the

::

ghost is like oh yeah I

::

died in a brooding building

::

and phoebe's like was that

::

weird like what are we like

::

what are we doing

::

This is chess.

::

You're playing chess alone

::

by yourself in the dark in New York City.

::

And by the way,

::

nobody's on that street corner at all.

::

What is happening here?

::

Phoebe confidently went into

::

that park in the middle of

::

the night and said her

::

happy birthday as a 15-year-old.

::

Look, I want to just say this.

::

Phoebe,

::

I appreciate the character of Phoebe,

::

who is, I would say, the lead.

::

She is the lead in the

::

afterlife in this movie.

::

Absolutely.

::

Like we all knew this kid.

::

We all knew this kid in high school.

::

He's a flipping weirdo.

::

not not scared of the same

::

stuff other people are scared of, like,

::

have a conversation to save their life.

::

But like,

::

they're they're like the people

::

that will see like a fire

::

and they're like, Hmm,

::

that's probably something

::

we should take care of.

::

I wonder how that feels.

::

They started doing it.

::

They started Yep.

::

Yep.

::

They like they like try to

::

put their hand in it.

::

Um, that that is Phoebe to me.

::

And that's like, I feel like McKenna Grace,

::

right?

::

I want to get this.

::

Yes.

::

She plays it so well.

::

She plays your kid.

::

So I bought that.

::

I bought her being in New

::

York in the middle of the

::

night playing chess with a

::

ghost and she was not fazed by it.

::

Yes.

::

I think all of that is fine.

::

Here's my thing with Phoebe's character,

::

McKenna Grace.

::

I think McKenna Grace is a great actress.

::

I like what they did with

::

her in Afterlife.

::

I think that they took a

::

step back from where she

::

was in Afterlife in

::

comparison to where they

::

gave us the Pearl Empire.

::

They definitely leaned more

::

into the 15-year-old side

::

as opposed to the

::

15-year-old genius side of things.

::

Because in Afterlife,

::

she was smart as hell.

::

She did not fall for that little kid shit.

::

She was more emotionally

::

mature than the mom.

::

That was the whole...

::

That was kind of like part

::

of the pitch was like she

::

was more advanced.

::

She was more like her

::

granddad than her mom was like.

::

Yeah.

::

And in this one, I don't it seems like.

::

I know that they took the

::

it's the premise is

::

supposed to be they took

::

the thing that Phoebe cared

::

about the most.

::

Yes.

::

And then she didn't have any relatability,

::

but that still didn't feel

::

true based off of the rest

::

of the family dynamics.

::

And that's what's

::

fascinating to me about

::

this movie as a structure

::

because we had afterlife.

::

And the reason that I

::

enjoyed afterlife was it

::

took all these Ghostbuster

::

elements and it put them in

::

a different geographic and

::

emotional space.

::

Right.

::

And it was enjoyable because

::

you got to see Phoebe

::

discover all of this.

::

And if you knew Ghostbusters,

::

you enjoyed her finding

::

these things that you enjoy.

::

If you're new to it,

::

you're on the adventure

::

with her and she figures it out.

::

Right.

::

Like she doesn't really have

::

a ton of help.

::

Like she gets back up at the end,

::

but like she figures it out.

::

She does it.

::

And then in this movie, it's like, okay,

::

we had our fun.

::

We're going back to New York.

::

We're going back to what we know.

::

And it just felt like it

::

took her out of that driver's seat.

::

Literally and metaphorically,

::

to your point, Marcus.

::

I'm just like, hey,

::

this worked really well in

::

the last movie.

::

Well,

::

we're going to just take that away

::

from her.

::

And I love a good I lose my

::

powers type storyline, but...

::

The thing that makes that

::

satisfying is you get to

::

know that character more.

::

And you understand they're

::

more than the thing they care about.

::

Moana's probably the best example of this.

::

But this movie didn't do that.

::

And the other thing is I

::

feel like this was a...

::

We need, we need her to be vulnerable.

::

So she makes a poor choice.

::

And the only way we know how

::

to make her be vulnerable

::

is to take the Ghostbusters

::

away from her.

::

And I was like, but wait a minute.

::

Like she's a teenager.

::

She's already like,

::

there's already some ability to like,

::

she already is.

::

You could have leaned into

::

it a different direction and said, well,

::

She's it's hard for her.

::

We already know it's hard

::

for her to relate to other

::

people because of how smart she is.

::

She feels like she has this

::

thing and she has to be

::

more mature than she is.

::

You could have said you

::

could have had some more

::

screen time with her and the ghost melody,

::

like the ghost romance interest.

::

And that could have played

::

out through dialogue where

::

they started to see like, Oh no,

::

she finally someone has

::

somebody that she can talk

::

to and she relates to and

::

And she starts to have these

::

feelings that maybe make

::

different choices.

::

You didn't need to do the, like,

::

take her away and dumb her down thing.

::

Like,

::

I just didn't think that that was

::

entirely necessary.

::

And it weaves into my other point,

::

which is I also don't

::

really like the way in which they did,

::

like, the redeeming arc for her either.

::

Because the way in which she did – no, no,

::

no.

::

Like the way – not the ghost.

::

The ghost I could do away with.

::

But like Phoebe's character

::

like in general.

::

Sure.

::

The whole movie paints her

::

as like this is misfit child.

::

They called her selfish.

::

They called her a selfish, misfit,

::

poorly understood teenager,

::

which is a trope we get in movies a lot.

::

And as a result,

::

she makes a series of poor

::

decisions and then that

::

teenager at the end gets to

::

redeem themselves.

::

But in this movie,

::

they take that redemption

::

moment away from her and

::

give it to Kumail Nanjiani

::

that's just like, hey,

::

you were kind of here, so fuck,

::

I guess you can do it too.

::

They had two competing

::

redemption arcs and I would

::

have preferred Phoebe

::

to Kamal Nandiani's

::

character and we talked

::

about this in the chat like

::

that's where I was like

::

he's not necessary like you

::

could have introduced him

::

and had him there and had

::

him been the Rick Moranis

::

of it all where like he

::

shows up but he never

::

actually really does anything

::

because I think the

::

redemption arc for Phoebe

::

that I would have preferred to see is,

::

and again,

::

it takes a little bit of like

::

creative writing because

::

she's the one who's like, Oh no, we,

::

we dip our conductors in

::

brass and this fixes itself.

::

And she, the,

::

you could have had this

::

conversation where their

::

proton packs are taken away.

::

They're all back at the firehouse.

::

And she looks at Paul Rudd

::

and she looks at like her

::

mom and she goes, I know I've been off,

::

but please trust me.

::

Like I,

::

I know this is going to work.

::

And they look at her and go like,

::

you're still our daughter.

::

We have faith in you.

::

What do you need us to do?

::

That to me is a bigger

::

payoff at the end of this.

::

Then the, they're, they're trapped.

::

She starts to take care of Garaka.

::

And then out of nowhere,

::

Kamal Nanjiani is like me too.

::

Right.

::

Remember me too.

::

And like, does this fire bending thing.

::

So.

::

Oh, see, I would have gone a different,

::

I think I,

::

I agree with everything you said.

::

I think.

::

Okay, there's two ways to go.

::

My mind is always going to

::

go representation first.

::

I think that that

::

representation from... Oh, my God.

::

I always forget his name.

::

Kamau?

::

Kamau.

::

Nagyani?

::

Nagyani.

::

Kamau Nagyani.

::

I think that I have no problem with him.

::

The way that they introduced

::

him was very half-assed, right?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

In his first introduction

::

after he sails the prison to...

::

Dan Aykroyd.

::

Thank you to Dan Aykroyd.

::

The fire at the hot dog

::

stand is like raising up.

::

And you don't catch that

::

correlation until later that, oh,

::

that's why the hot dog stand.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It had nothing to do with

::

the ball in that moment

::

that they just set up with

::

everything freaking out.

::

It was directly correlated

::

to him and his relation to

::

the fire and his emotions.

::

A very far stretch if you didn't

::

pay attention to what the

::

you know what I mean like

::

you have to just kind of

::

pay attention what was

::

going on yeah I think I

::

appreciate that

::

representation and or I

::

think you can combine the

::

fire master here's my two

::

routes combine the fire

::

master plot line into

::

Phoebe story where she is

::

the fire master like you

::

can do that or you can have

::

Phoebe and his character go

::

on that journey together

::

instead of pairing her with

::

a ghost you get her little bit

::

his character and they both

::

have that redemption arc at

::

the same like

::

simultaneously I'm like yeah

::

I was a loner just like you

::

were this happened to me at

::

this age I still never

::

really figured it out but

::

you still got top so now

::

you have that and I think

::

both of them are funny

::

enough I wouldn't have mind

::

watching this buddy cop or

::

two incomplete people complete each other

::

That's a really good point.

::

And there's throwaway lines

::

that he says because it was

::

his grandmother that had all this stuff.

::

There are throwaway lines where he's like,

::

well,

::

I didn't really know my grandmother

::

or she was really hard on me.

::

There are things that he

::

says in this movie where you're like,

::

oh yeah,

::

those two can relate to each other

::

just fine.

::

It should have been with the

::

brother though, right?

::

Because he has that one moment,

::

it's a one throwaway weird

::

line that he has about, he basically says,

::

I'm the disappointing brother.

::

What happens if you're the

::

brother that doesn't want

::

to go to college and

::

figures things out in a

::

non-conventional way?

::

And the brother says, yes,

::

that makes sense to me too.

::

And they have this connecting moment,

::

but they don't do shit with

::

that relationship or

::

anything else with that line.

::

I mean, they don't,

::

I don't even think they talk.

::

a whole lot now that I'm

::

thinking about it until the

::

end I mean they might trade

::

three or four lines maybe

::

but it's all in service of

::

moving the plot like it's

::

not actually like character

::

development and sex dungeon

::

jokes don't forget oh yeah

::

yeah yeah that okay this is

::

a soundproof room oh yeah

::

is this where your mom got

::

down in the wow would

::

chains be in a sex now it

::

was funny don't get me wrong yeah

::

It was funny, but in the theater I was at,

::

there was a lot of little kids,

::

and I was just like, all right,

::

I'm glad I didn't bring my kids,

::

because that would have

::

been an interesting

::

conversation on the way home.

::

And then I looked, and this is PG-13,

::

so it's like, you knew,

::

but at the same time, I was like,

::

I'm very surprised to see

::

this humor in a Ghostbusters movie.

::

But I think I think you're

::

both right that they have

::

these like similar trajectories.

::

It's almost like it's almost

::

criminal that the two of

::

them didn't bond over it

::

and have that be part of the finale.

::

It's like they it's like

::

they separated them.

::

And instead of cutting one

::

of these stories, they're like, nope,

::

keep them both.

::

keep them both,

::

and we'll just do both of

::

their stories with all

::

these people standing around.

::

Bring the Firemaster,

::

and this is my last thing on this one,

::

bring the Firemaster,

::

introduce him sooner,

::

bring him to the firehouse sooner,

::

and have him just staying

::

at the firehouse while they

::

are all trying to, like...

::

You can still do the Slimer shit.

::

You can still do all of these things,

::

but now he's in the same

::

space interacting.

::

I think that it was a waste

::

of time having Melody the

::

Ghost be a point of trickery.

::

Because it could have been any...

::

I know she wants to lean on

::

somebody to rely to.

::

I would have preferred it to

::

be the unconventional

::

character and not the

::

random ass ghost that

::

didn't get any more backstory.

::

Here's the thing with the

::

writing is that the melody, the ghost,

::

they've tied everything to her,

::

whether they want to or not.

::

If I'm looking at the script

::

and I'm looking at the story, you have...

::

You have to make that work.

::

You have to make that either not universal,

::

but you have to make it

::

engaging enough that it,

::

that it powers the story.

::

And it feels like I'm just, I mean,

::

and I can't prove this, but it,

::

I've seen enough movies to

::

know that I'm seeing half

::

of a story and something

::

got cut here because we

::

have enough of the

::

relationship being built.

::

By the way,

::

these are really well directed

::

and acted scenes, but,

::

between the actresses,

::

McKenna Grace and the

::

actress who plays Melody,

::

Emily Allen Lind.

::

They're great scenes.

::

They're great emotional and

::

connective scenes.

::

The chemistry?

::

The chemistry is off the charts.

::

It's clearly, to me,

::

a romantic relationship.

::

There was a kiss at the end

::

of this movie that was cut.

::

There was a moment because...

::

It was so fucking set up.

::

Because she was like, oh,

::

then how do you touch the chess pieces?

::

And she's like, well, I don't know.

::

I guess there are things if

::

I want to touch it, I can.

::

And that was the line.

::

And that's when I was like, oh,

::

so they're going to kiss later?

::

The minute I knew it.

::

And then she was like, well,

::

I'll see you on the other side.

::

And then she just dissipates.

::

But you can see that Phoebe

::

takes a step forward and

::

then they cut and they make

::

the CGI thing dissolve.

::

It does...

::

No,

::

it does feel like some execs got cold

::

feet of having two girls kiss.

::

They most certainly did.

::

It's disappointing because

::

that is what ties the story

::

together of trying to find

::

belonging and you just cut

::

out that emotional piece of it.

::

So no wonder the rest of

::

this movie just kind of

::

feels out of place because

::

that's the core emotional element of it.

::

Something changed.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, that too.

::

And I, so I thought Kumail's role,

::

I kind of want to put a, I just,

::

I want to put this end cap

::

on the fire master stuff.

::

I thought it was just a cameo.

::

I did not understand.

::

He was like part of the main

::

cast until like,

::

until I would say

::

embarrassingly into the

::

third act where I was like,

::

Oh, no, he's like part of the finale.

::

Like he he has to figure this out.

::

So it's and the other thing about it, too,

::

is like they're trying to

::

shoehorn his firemaster

::

training in while still

::

having like Phoebe go to jail.

::

And we're also finding

::

Slimer and then Dan

::

Aykroyd's running around a

::

library like all at the same time.

::

And it's just kind of like, oh, okay.

::

All right,

::

so you're going to be a fire

::

master who were like

::

ancient Ghostbusters.

::

Which, by the way, as a concept,

::

I'm totally fine with it.

::

I thought that was super fun.

::

Here's the other throwaway piece.

::

I didn't realize she was in... Sorry.

::

McKenna Grace is 17, number one.

::

And the young lady who plays Melody is 21.

::

Didn't realize McKenna Grace

::

was in Gifted.

::

I didn't realize she was in

::

a lot of stuff.

::

Ready Player One.

::

Captain Marvel.

::

She was in Mr. Church.

::

I've watched a lot of these

::

movies and did not realize

::

that she was in this and

::

all of this stuff.

::

So shout out to McKenna Grace.

::

Before Doug moves on,

::

I think it's a waste of a character.

::

And I understand things

::

change behind the scenes.

::

I think that the actress that plays Melody,

::

I would be upset.

::

Because looking at the

::

things that she's in,

::

this is not a slouch of an

::

actress by any means.

::

So if I,

::

maybe I put in a lot to this and

::

you got me walking around

::

and go CGI for like a good

::

majority of this movie,

::

walking around on fire.

::

And then you cut what feels

::

like you cut a majority of

::

it or didn't really know

::

how to make us connect.

::

Yeah,

::

maybe maybe nothing got cut and maybe

::

they just didn't know how

::

to like rap or put a bow on

::

this story and complete.

::

I just think that that's weird.

::

Sorry.

::

Yeah, I don't want to.

::

I think the other.

::

I think there are other

::

aspects of this like random.

::

assortment of side quests

::

that I think just

::

discombobulate themselves a little bit.

::

The other one that I think

::

is a little weird is the

::

amount of pressure they put

::

on the Possessor as a ghost.

::

Dan Aykroyd talks about that

::

thing like it is going to

::

steal everything.

::

He talks about that as a level 5 mutant.

::

We all need to be...

::

level threat detected, like terrified of.

::

And so I, I just, I think it was,

::

I think the problem is,

::

is they made this thing out to be like,

::

they did the class,

::

they did the bait and

::

switch comedy maneuver.

::

They said, Oh, that thing is going to be,

::

that thing will change.

::

It would make it really, that's,

::

you should be really scared of that one.

::

And then it was predominantly comic relief,

::

except for the part with the,

::

except for the part with the

::

lion because that was

::

legitimately like a

::

supposed to be a scary

::

moment the the part where

::

the possessor possesses the

::

car wasn't long enough yes

::

for me to be truly scared

::

of it it just was like oh

::

so he possessed the car

::

thing it's like they were

::

sort of like oh now you

::

start to get like right

::

when we started to

::

understand how scary that

::

ghost could be right on

::

Um,

::

so one thing I think I would have

::

appreciated that kind of

::

would have added to that,

::

but also sort of maybe developed the, uh,

::

the, um,

::

melodies stuff a little bit more is, um,

::

this idea of like introduce

::

those two as your hook at the beginning.

::

Yeah.

::

Because I think what would

::

have could have been really

::

cool is maybe the possessor

::

was the one that actually

::

started the fire that she

::

felt guilty for.

::

And that's the part where

::

the fire department that we

::

fall in love with shows up

::

to put out the fire.

::

Yeah.

::

And then you introduce them

::

when Pat Noswalt is telling the story of

::

at the you know what I mean

::

like interesting I would

::

have I would have cut

::

things around a little bit

::

and maybe like shuffled it

::

because again I think that

::

that that for me would have

::

been like a oh shit that

::

was the person from the

::

beginning who was

::

describing the diner yeah

::

we saw that happen and

::

especially since she's such

::

a linchpin for a lot of

::

this movie yeah that makes

::

a ton of sense to me so

::

Let me say this.

::

So like the main plot of the movie,

::

I think is fine.

::

Like Phoebe is caught by the

::

city being an underage

::

minor working for the

::

Ghostbusters and she's got

::

to figure stuff out.

::

Yep.

::

And that premise does sound

::

interesting to me.

::

Unfortunately,

::

what this movie felt like

::

was it either a jump to the

::

gun or B when they signed

::

up the original Ghostbusters crew,

::

it's like everybody had

::

screen time requirements.

::

is what it feels like and I

::

again I can't prove it but

::

this movie feels prove it

::

but no there's no way I'll

::

be able to prove just like

::

doug ain't supposed to be

::

in that locker room but I'm

::

not supposed to be there no

::

it's absolutely not but

::

like it just feels like

::

everybody needed a certain

::

amount of screen time like

::

dan akroyd needed a certain

::

amount of screen time so

::

they put feet like they put

::

phoebe's character with him

::

to do all this stuff it's

::

not necessary though

::

Same thing with like Bill

::

Murray's character.

::

He had to have a certain amount of X, Y,

::

Z times that he was doing

::

stuff to fill that quota.

::

I almost rolled my eyes when

::

he showed up at the firehouse like that.

::

That was so jarring for him

::

to show up at the firehouse

::

at the end of the movie.

::

And it's fine.

::

Like I love a good Bill Murray reference.

::

yeah like I love a good hero

::

entrance but it was so

::

jarring because they were

::

ratcheting up the tension

::

that I was like hey I'm

::

Bill Murray sarcastic joke

::

here and I was like okay so

::

that was that was

::

contracted for you to do

::

that okay that's fine

::

that's fine I'll pay that

::

price but like I mean

::

honestly like it just you

::

could tell there was just a

::

lot of competing priorities

::

in this movie oh god great great and

::

the original cast,

::

I'm not going to say they're a problem.

::

It was really fun to see them.

::

Especially Ernie Hudson.

::

That man does not age.

::

He does not look a day over.

::

Winston's not a more.

::

I want to know what he's lifting.

::

All I'm trying to say is

::

putting in those original

::

characters plus this story

::

is what really threw me for a loop.

::

Okay,

::

here's my questions I have for

::

Ghostbuster pro, Doug Wagner.

::

And Brian,

::

I know that also you love

::

Ghostbusters too.

::

No, Doug is the pro here.

::

Bustin' makes him feel good.

::

Bustin' makes him feel great.

::

It's just two questions, really.

::

The point you made about the

::

ghost and having these

::

special abilities and

::

everything like that,

::

I think this one goes back

::

to the video game portion, right?

::

Of like, if I could, in a video game,

::

capture the possessor,

::

and learn how to use him and

::

then I could get him to

::

possess a car and drive it

::

for us to some capacity.

::

You know what I mean?

::

That's something that you

::

just have in your arsenal

::

of people to use.

::

In the original Ghostbusters,

::

as a fan of it,

::

Ghost with these specific

::

abilities and things like that,

::

is that something that

::

is important to the story or

::

is something that was like

::

in the story originally?

::

What was the main focus of

::

Ghostbusters originally?

::

Is it the team?

::

Is it the ghost?

::

Is it like, what is it?

::

So for the original the

::

original Ghostbusters,

::

and I would even say like

::

ostensibly for the second

::

one a little bit.

::

The first one, especially, though,

::

was sort of like it was

::

sort of like the

::

fascination of the 80s of

::

like the afterlife was kind

::

of a question.

::

I mean,

::

that's when Patrick Swayze did Ghost.

::

That's when there was that's

::

when there were a lot of

::

movies like Poltergeist

::

where there were just

::

stories about ghosts.

::

And so I think this was

::

really just to sort of say like, yeah,

::

what if there were ghosts?

::

But then also,

::

what if there was a team of

::

folks that you could call and feel it?

::

And knowing Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd,

::

who wrote the original,

::

knowing them and their kind

::

of their comedic brain, they went, yeah,

::

what if it's like a roach

::

guy that you can call and

::

you call the Ghostbusters?

::

And just like the pest,

::

like the exterminator,

::

we are the ghost exterminators.

::

And even if you watch the original,

::

that first episode,

::

That first commercial that

::

she's watching in her

::

apartment where they're saying,

::

we're ready to believe you.

::

That looks like an old

::

school 80s pest control commercial.

::

Don't invite your pests to dinner.

::

Call the bug man.

::

We'll come by and zap your bugs for you.

::

So that's the whole feeling of it.

::

There really wasn't a need to say...

::

This ghost has certain powers.

::

This certain powers now

::

towards the end with the

::

way goes or works.

::

And as they start to unpack some,

::

and this is the part of it

::

that I always really liked

::

is the part where they were

::

establishing the war, like where,

::

you know, Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd,

::

when they explain like, Oh no,

::

these are these two,

::

the key master and the

::

gatekeeper are agents of

::

goes or goes or did this in

::

ancient Sumeria in, you know,

::

the 1600s like that to me,

::

I loved like that sort of

::

like world that they built around it.

::

Like, oh, no,

::

that is that's kind of creepy and eerie.

::

And what if that was in New York?

::

But those aren't really powers.

::

Those are backstory,

::

like historical pieces,

::

much like Garaka sort of is.

::

So when they start to say

::

like this ghost has the

::

ability to possess folks and this ghost,

::

like I don't really, it doesn't bother me,

::

but I can see why for a modern audience,

::

they would want to know, well,

::

are there all, all ghosts the same?

::

Does this ghost do something

::

different than this ghost?

::

I could see how a modern

::

audience might need a

::

little bit more exposition

::

because I think a modern

::

audience is going to be like, okay,

::

great ghosts,

::

but do they do anything or

::

are they just ghosts?

::

Like they need a little bit more exposure.

::

And then just the other ones.

::

And correct me if I'm wrong,

::

but Ghostbusters has never

::

been big on like the rules they set out.

::

It's just like,

::

look at these four funny

::

guys and they're going to go.

::

They're going to go take care of.

::

That was my next question.

::

Yeah.

::

Oh, there's no I mean,

::

there's really there's really no rules.

::

I mean, they already sort of like,

::

to be honest with you.

::

I was expecting... So Phoebe

::

asks Dan Aykroyd in this movie, she goes,

::

I need to ask you something.

::

And I thought,

::

so if you remember the

::

original Ghostbusters,

::

Dan Aykroyd is the only one

::

of the original four

::

Ghostbusters to have a

::

romantic interaction with a ghost.

::

Because there is a sequence

::

when the Ghostbusters first

::

start where a ghost

::

unbuckles his belt while he

::

is sleeping at the...

::

Unbuckles his belt while he

::

is sleeping at the

::

firehouse and then he makes the like

::

oh god face that people make

::

and that's it and then they

::

move on and so I expected

::

because at this point in

::

time I established in my

::

brain that this was a

::

romantic interaction I

::

expected Phoebe to be like

::

have you ever been in love

::

with a ghost like I expected

::

some level of conversation

::

around have you ever made

::

contact with a ghost or

::

have you ever had a

::

conversation in a

::

relationship with a ghost

::

and dan akroyd making some

::

sort of tongue and cheek

::

sort of joke to be like not

::

one that I can tell someone

::

who's 16 but yeah kind of

::

like I feel like he could

::

have made some sort of like

::

a you're too young to be

::

like a talk style comedic

::

moment where he could be

::

like you know well when a

::

ghost and a man love each other like

::

he could have done something

::

really funny around that.

::

That's what I expected there

::

to be the reference back for it.

::

But to answer your question, no,

::

there's never really been rules.

::

Now they try to establish

::

their best shot at rules

::

and things folks need to follow.

::

to when they start talking

::

about positively charged

::

slime energy and negatively

::

charged slime energy.

::

And that is the closest

::

thing that they ever got to

::

rules before they got that.

::

Even don't cross the streams.

::

Spangler says at the beginning, he goes,

::

it would be bad.

::

imagine every particle in

::

your body exploding at a

::

million miles an hour is

::

what they talk about if

::

they cross the streams

::

because then Bill Murray

::

has this note where he's like, okay,

::

good note, safety reasons.

::

Thanks for the update, Egon.

::

He has that moment,

::

but at the end of the movie,

::

how do they beat Gozer?

::

They cross the streams.

::

So that's even that.

::

So yeah.

::

yeah cool I don't have uh

::

you kind of answered my

::

second question that was a

::

rabbit hole that I'm sorry

::

I went down no no no that

::

was yeah it's necessary for

::

this movie because I feel

::

like I feel like our tone

::

has been like this movie is

::

doing weird stuff but like

::

It is enjoyable,

::

but I feel like it needs to

::

be said that this movie is

::

going to be enjoyed by

::

people who are already

::

bought into the

::

Ghostbusters universe and

::

it explores different

::

corners of that universe or

::

people who are just like,

::

I don't need a ton of rules.

::

I don't need a bunch of lore.

::

I just I want to see people

::

doing fun things,

::

having a great time and see

::

things I'm not going to see

::

on my living room couch.

::

This is your movie.

::

If you're looking for that

::

Star Wars or Star Trek type

::

bulletproof lore adding onto the story,

::

this is not you.

::

Because it's all vibes and it's great.

::

It does enough where this

::

movie tries to get you to

::

rethink how you looked at

::

Almost in sort of the same

::

way that Afterlife did.

::

It's trying to look at you,

::

force you to look at things

::

that you like about the

::

original in a different light.

::

And my best example of that

::

is Phoebe has a line that

::

she says to her mom after

::

she's been told that she's

::

not allowed to be a Ghostbuster.

::

Phoebe looks at her mom and she goes...

::

if any, all, all other things considered,

::

you'd be the secretary taking our calls.

::

And that's when, you know,

::

that's when he has to have

::

his dad moment.

::

He goes, don't talk to her like that.

::

Yeah.

::

But then what they do is

::

because everybody just

::

assumed that Janine Melnitz

::

was the person that they took,

::

that just takes the calls

::

and sent them on missions.

::

Who's the one strapping a proton, uh,

::

brass knuckle to her hand

::

yep janine is so it's like

::

a it's almost trying to say

::

like you can't it's trying

::

to make a dig at the way

::

people maybe viewed her and

::

then at the end going like

::

you never underestimate

::

even the like if you're a

::

ghostbuster whether you're

::

taking the calls or going

::

out and busting the ghosts

::

you're a ghostbuster you're

::

a bastard exactly you're a

::

ghostbuster yeah you're a badass so like

::

I think it tried to do that

::

and it was just kind of

::

clumsy because there was so

::

much other shit going on.

::

I agree.

::

I mean, that felt like... So,

::

I'm shocked and I know I'm

::

talking about bigger narrative stuff,

::

but I am very shocked they

::

got the remaining original cast back.

::

I would assume that would

::

have been for the third

::

movie in this franchise.

::

Like...

::

But it just I was so

::

surprised they were all

::

there and it pushed out other characters.

::

We talked about this a little bit,

::

but like Lucky was a pretty

::

significant character in the afterlife.

::

And she is the main love interest.

::

she she is put in a role of

::

like I work at the

::

institute I'm also here and

::

like I just I kind of

::

podcast podcast podcast is

::

absolutely shoved aside

::

back burner yeah like so

::

like celeste o'connor just

::

she seems really talented

::

but there's no room for her

::

in this movie and they try

::

to put her in and it just

::

it doesn't work because we

::

got to make sure we get

::

bill bill murray's joke in

::

Also,

::

we have to introduce British guy at

::

the Institute.

::

I don't know if we ever got

::

a name for him.

::

But I thought it was really

::

strange they made a whole

::

new character when I'm like,

::

you have at least nine characters here.

::

surely someone else could

::

have popped into that role

::

to at least reduce and

::

compress some of the storylines.

::

Arguably, it should have been podcast.

::

Yes.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

::

The technology expert,

::

because what is he

::

introducing people to right off the rip?

::

It's haunted by this CD

::

player is possessed by a...

::

by a spin masters cd what

::

better moment for the audio

::

visual character you

::

introduced into afterlife

::

to be the one to explain

::

that because you have lucky

::

there already right you

::

know oh my gosh yeah the

::

same from the same place

::

same city same movie you

::

have them you have them

::

both they did too much with

::

too little time and I think

::

that's the biggest part of like

::

this whole thing and uh

::

brian I had a question for

::

you that I was gonna oh the

::

reason why I think that you

::

have to bring in the cast

::

now and this is very sad is

::

because you don't know how

::

much longer you will have

::

between movies yeah and I

::

think that age I think what

::

they did with this movie of

::

part of the reasoning for

::

this movie outside of the

::

sequels and building the universe

::

You have the original team

::

as much as you can, right?

::

You have everybody who is

::

still alive and still here.

::

Boom.

::

That's your original Ghostbusters group.

::

Then you have the new Ghostbusters group.

::

Okay, cool.

::

Outside of the two Ghostbuster groups,

::

you now have the Firemaster

::

who is now in...

::

in a video game,

::

an ally to my Ghostbusters team,

::

who I can call in at the

::

last minute when I need it.

::

Press up on the D-pad,

::

and then Kumail comes out

::

and shoots fire.

::

There's a special skin that

::

if you complete all of his

::

side missions on perfect,

::

you get to unlock

::

the uh yeah the armor

::

traditional fire master

::

armor I think that that

::

makes sense to me but you

::

have to get them in now

::

because if you don't do it

::

now you may not get the

::

third movie or if you even

::

get greenlit for the third

::

movie right because what

::

direction does this shit go

::

that's my question that's

::

the credit sequence I was

::

like what the fuck am I

::

supposed to do with that

::

I mean, to me it seems, okay,

::

to me it seems very clear

::

that Ghost Corps wants to

::

build out this universe a la like Marvel.

::

Like Marvel's influence is

::

everywhere in this movie

::

because it gives it a certain gravitas,

::

like especially with the dad sequence.

::

I don't feel like you get

::

that unless you have your Iron Man.

::

Like, right,

::

because Iron Man blended those

::

two genres really well when

::

they made Iron Man.

::

And I feel like that popped

::

up in a lot of Marvel movies.

::

And like,

::

I think that's the other thing

::

that took me off guard with

::

the Ghostbusters movie was like,

::

I'm ready for like a silly time,

::

like afterlife.

::

It was trying to do something new,

::

but I'm here for a silly time.

::

And like, you would go straight from like,

::

you know, the stranger thing,

::

Wolfhard guy trying to get Slimer.

::

And then it was like,

::

my family died in a house fire.

::

And you're like, okay, all right.

::

So like, we're just,

::

we're doing all the tones here.

::

But to me,

::

Paul Rudd is the most Paul

::

Rudd's like what he's

::

supposed to be doing.

::

He is by far one of the most

::

puzzling characters in this

::

movie because he'll have a

::

moment where he is making a

::

joke about the old

::

Ghostbusters song in a conversation.

::

Then 10 minutes later,

::

the next time you see him,

::

he is scolding Phoebe as if

::

he were her dad.

::

And it is a moment.

::

Like it is a bro.

::

You are fucking everywhere.

::

Like he was fine.

::

No, no, no.

::

He was great.

::

I just think like to

::

highlight Brian's point of like,

::

you're flipping switches too quickly.

::

Like you're,

::

I thought he made the most

::

sense to me as a character.

::

I had no issue with him.

::

And I think it's because he

::

is the audience.

::

of like where in this he's

::

not their dad he's not the

::

leader of the group he's

::

not the smart he's the guy

::

that we bought from

::

oklahoma and he's now

::

randomly in new york in the

::

middle of this fucking

::

story goes back to last

::

week we had two parents

::

that said that they did not

::

watch ghostbusters

::

afterlife yeah watching this movie

::

Now,

::

imagine these two motherfuckers going

::

in there and watching this

::

movie raw dogging it with

::

no past context into anything.

::

That would be rough.

::

That'd be really rough.

::

Because and they don't

::

really reiterate anything.

::

No.

::

From that movie.

::

But there is a connection of

::

like if Paul Rudd dropped

::

that line of I'm the

::

teacher from Oklahoma that

::

was studying blah, blah, blah.

::

Yeah.

::

And y'all bought me here.

::

Why the fuck is this?

::

I don't understand that as

::

somebody who didn't watch the preview.

::

So I feel like he is the

::

audience and that made

::

sense and was the connection for me.

::

Paul Rudd does kind of fill

::

this role of like this

::

adult that grew up with the

::

Ghostbusters and they're like,

::

I'm in the firehouse.

::

Like,

::

this is awesome.

::

And like enjoying and living

::

vicariously through that experience.

::

And that's good too.

::

Honestly,

::

this movie just feels like it was

::

wanting to build out this

::

universe so we can have

::

other stories and other pockets of it.

::

Like,

::

I won't be surprised at all if they

::

don't do like a formal sequel to this,

::

or if they do like, Hey,

::

we're doing ghostbusters.

::

Like,

::

The kids edition.

::

If they do the research,

::

like if they just do the

::

research section or if they just do.

::

I'm thrown off.

::

I'm thrown off track here by

::

one of our comments.

::

My mom wants to know, can ghost raw dog?

::

And I don't know.

::

I don't know.

::

I don't know how ghosts feel.

::

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.

::

Yeah, thank you.

::

Thanks, though, for the solid answer.

::

I'm going to assume that.

::

Oh, okay.

::

And I'm not going to elaborate.

::

I'm just going to answer her question.

::

But if they're on the same

::

dimensional plane, then...

::

Look, this predicates itself on.

::

Can you get pregnant by a ghost?

::

And I would say no.

::

It's not.

::

It is still raw dogging.

::

But is it raw?

::

Because only flesh is raw.

::

Ghosts aren't flesh.

::

Well, and here's the other question.

::

Now it's just dogging.

::

Two ghosts just dogging.

::

Ghost dogging.

::

Ghost dogging.

::

Isn't raw dogging,

::

isn't that phrase

::

established based on the

::

fact that it's a lack or an

::

absence of a provolactic, right?

::

That is the phrase.

::

Because in 1924,

::

that was the original

::

creation of the phrase raw

::

dogging was the absence of

::

the rubber or any type of

::

material between person to person.

::

So I would say because it's

::

not person to person,

::

it's ghost to person.

::

Right.

::

There cannot be a raw dog situation.

::

So it's just dogging.

::

It's just dogging.

::

Got it.

::

We figured it out.

::

You all figured it out.

::

I just I just said, I mean,

::

I was going to ask the

::

question because here's

::

where I almost got hung up.

::

Is there a thing as ghost ejaculate?

::

And I would say, no, there isn't.

::

Because there is with Slimer.

::

But.

::

That's slime, that's not ejaculate.

::

Ejaculate is a way to pass

::

on genetic material,

::

and that's not what Slimer's doing.

::

He's not passing that genetic material on.

::

Some would say in the 1940s

::

article- There is no genetic material.

::

Right,

::

but some would say that throwing up

::

contains genetic material.

::

That's a fair point.

::

And if genetic materials can

::

be on the little boy every

::

time Slimer went through his body, then-

::

Now I have a lot of problems

::

with this conversation.

::

Now?

::

Now.

::

Right now.

::

He was 18 years old.

::

He's an adult.

::

Oh, he was a man.

::

He did reiterate that

::

throughout the entire movie.

::

He did.

::

Fun fact, that character shows up,

::

I feel like, in the first act,

::

and then he's just gone.

::

He's gone until the finale.

::

The Stranger Things set was

::

right across the street.

::

He was like, hey guys,

::

Stranger Things is filming.

::

I gotta go.

::

Bye.

::

Is he the one that's beefing

::

with the rest of the

::

Stranger Things cast?

::

I don't know.

::

I have not kept up on that.

::

I'm not going to bring it up here.

::

I'll tell you off of air why

::

I think he's beefing.

::

But yeah,

::

he disappears and then comes back.

::

But no, this movie very much felt like,

::

look at all the places we

::

could go as Ghostbusters.

::

And that's where I feel like the...

::

the future movies,

::

they're going to be in

::

these little pockets,

::

whether it's research,

::

whether it's catching the,

::

like the ghost that got out,

::

whether it's going back to Oklahoma,

::

whether like, there's just, it feels very,

::

it feels very like Harry Potter,

::

like pick your, pick your,

::

pick your expertise.

::

Like, yeah.

::

Are you going to be an auror

::

or are you going to be a potions master?

::

That's what this is.

::

This is the New Jersey team.

::

It's Brian, Doug, Marcus,

::

and insert one of it.

::

It's Roman Myers.

::

It's those four people.

::

We are going to be the four

::

team that's based in this

::

region and area.

::

It's going to expand the

::

team because here's the thing.

::

The movie ends with the

::

ghost being released all over.

::

Some of us gotta go catch

::

those motherfuckers and it

::

ain't the old folk and it

::

ain't just the new folk.

::

No.

::

That was the other thing.

::

They intentionally were like,

::

all the ghosts are gone.

::

I wonder what's gonna happen.

::

You could introduce a new

::

team if you wanted and

::

people could go with it.

::

That's to me what this movie was setting.

::

I would gladly hold down the

::

Midwest division of the Ghostbusters.

::

Oh, that'd be amazing.

::

What type of ghosts?

::

Are they racist ghosts?

::

There's got to be some of them.

::

We're going to have to get KKK ghosts.

::

I'm not a fan.

::

We're going to have to get

::

John Little involved

::

because I have a feeling

::

given this state's history,

::

there's going to be a lot

::

of angry Native American ghosts.

::

That's going to be nasty.

::

Honestly, let them haunt the people.

::

At this point in time, it's their land.

::

Let them do what they want.

::

At least in the afterlife.

::

I'm minding my own black ass business.

::

Alright.

::

When you open up that

::

Ghostbusters franchise in South Dakota,

::

it's really more like, nah,

::

we don't do that.

::

Hi, Ghostbusters,

::

there's an ominous drumming

::

coming from my basement.

::

Hey, motherfucker, it's their land.

::

Call somebody else.

::

Click.

::

It's us encouraging the ghost?

::

Yeah, I don't know what to do.

::

Yeah, we gave them the drum.

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

Click.

::

Only non-problematic.

::

I like the phrase ominous drumming.

::

Yeah.

::

And we gave them the drum.

::

Ominous drumming.

::

That's the title.

::

Ominous drumming.

::

That's it.

::

Oh, man.

::

I was going to be

::

ghost-dogging for a second there.

::

Yeah, it was close.

::

It was about to be ghost-dogging.

::

I'm glad we came up with something else.

::

Brian was digging deep to

::

find an additional, a different title.

::

Brian felt every muscle in his ass cheeks,

::

like, clench up.

::

He was like, ooh.

::

That is uncomfortable.

::

It didn't feel right.

::

It just didn't feel right.

::

Gentlemen,

::

anything else that you all want

::

to say about Ghostbusters?

::

Anything else that we didn't talk about?

::

And then I have one final question.

::

We didn't talk about a lot,

::

but I don't think we can cover all of it.

::

But anything else you all

::

really wanted to hit on?

::

I do want to say,

::

and I want to reiterate one

::

of Brian's points.

::

I know that we've been

::

talking about these

::

different pieces of this movie,

::

but it is still a good movie.

::

Mm-hmm.

::

It's enjoyable.

::

I personally like the way

::

that they executed

::

Afterlife more because I

::

think it says a lot about

::

bringing a franchise back

::

in the way that they did it.

::

I like the cast and characters.

::

The only problem I really

::

had not a problem with, but I was like,

::

why are you here?

::

Is the mom who was the least mom?

::

Yeah,

::

they didn't know what to do with her.

::

They didn't know how to write her.

::

They had no idea.

::

It was her and it was like

::

her in Afterlife.

::

It was the mom and Paul Rudd.

::

And then eventually they

::

just go more Paul Rudd, more Phoebe.

::

Yes.

::

The son and the mom are down here.

::

And it's kind of like it's very weird.

::

Somebody on a soundboard like push Paul up,

::

push Phoebe up.

::

That's exactly what happened.

::

So that's weird.

::

But I did enjoy the movie.

::

I think it's good.

::

I think it'll be better on streaming.

::

There are a lot of things

::

that were in the trailer

::

that got cut that I recognized,

::

like Lucky Freezing, seeing Lucky Freeze.

::

I think they exchanged that

::

with either Phoebe or they

::

just cut that scene altogether.

::

There's a lot of things I

::

think that got switched around,

::

and I don't know why.

::

I think that they were

::

really reluctant to kill anyone off.

::

it felt like because that

::

was like oh I was like oh

::

she's gonna die oh I

::

thought Dan Aykroyd was

::

gonna die I thought he was

::

talking about death so much

::

he has like so there was a

::

lot of it that I was like

::

they they were like if one

::

of the original three we

::

can't kill off one of the

::

original three because we

::

already did that like

::

ghost piece with him in the last one.

::

And we can't kill off one of

::

the kids because we might

::

need them later.

::

So they were really, I think,

::

very hesitant.

::

The mom and the brother are

::

interchangeable in my eyes.

::

They could or could not come back,

::

but they seem like the type to be like,

::

I don't want to do that anymore.

::

I'm going off and doing different things.

::

Okay, cool.

::

You keep Paul, Ruth, and Phoebe.

::

Find a different two to replace.

::

You keep them.

::

Get rid of podcasts.

::

And then you have the

::

original four on standby.

::

That's kind of where I'm at.

::

they're your phone a friend

::

they're your people in the

::

chair for various reasons I

::

i also like to your point

::

marcus I was so thrown by

::

the mom that I wasn't even

::

sure that her and paul rudd

::

were still married yes for

::

a majority of this I was

::

like did they get married

::

are they just dating like

::

what like what's going on

::

here because like they're

::

talking to each other like

::

I would talk to like a

::

roommate like not yeah not

::

not like my my spouse or

::

it's I agree it's so weird I agree

::

I think they were just gaming.

::

Paul Rudd has this throwaway

::

line where he was like,

::

that was two years ago.

::

Oklahoma, where he was like,

::

that was two years ago.

::

You were like, oh, okay, cool.

::

So what does that mean for us now?

::

I'm your daddy.

::

I don't know.

::

The last thing I'll say

::

about this movie... Of all

::

things that broke you out,

::

that was the one that did it?

::

That is kind of funny.

::

That always throws me off.

::

Someone who's like, call me daddy.

::

I'm like, please don't.

::

Who's saying that to you?

::

Brian, hold your point.

::

Let's go to you up top.

::

No one's saying it to me,

::

but when someone's like, ooh,

::

I have a dad kink, I'm like,

::

don't tell me that.

::

Who's saying that to you?

::

No one!

::

If they did...

::

I would be uncomfortable.

::

Who's opening up about a dead king to you?

::

No one.

::

Some guy I met in Starbucks.

::

Is this Oscar?

::

It's Oscar again.

::

Oscar again.

::

Not only is he our angel

::

investor slash sugar daddy,

::

he's got a dad thing.

::

He's your angel investor, your sugar daddy,

::

and he's got a daddy thing.

::

But it benefits the podcast.

::

Whatever.

::

We don't judge you for that.

::

We don't care.

::

You do what you want.

::

We love you regardless.

::

Dads provide.

::

Dads protect.

::

If that's one of your kinks, rock on.

::

Eternal protection is what they call it.

::

There you go.

::

You did it.

::

I don't like it.

::

You're fine.

::

You can just tell this movie

::

learned a lot.

::

I'm going to yuck that yum.

::

You're going to yuck it.

::

You can tell this movie

::

learned a lot from all the

::

legacy sequels and reboot

::

wheels because Jurassic World,

::

the last one that came out, Dominion,

::

I can't remember what it was,

::

where they brought back the

::

original cast.

::

Yeah.

::

that was bad.

::

Like,

::

and it definitely felt like they

::

looked at that.

::

They're like, well,

::

we're not going to do that.

::

So we're going to do

::

something in the middle,

::

kind of like what star Wars did of like,

::

Oh, the original characters are around,

::

but they're not like driving anything.

::

Yeah.

::

And they kind of made it their own.

::

Which is weird.

::

This is one of the better

::

examples of a legacy sequel,

::

even though it was a little

::

bit all over the place.

::

But the point is, if you like Ghostbusters,

::

you'll like this movie.

::

Which is, I think,

::

what their goal was here.

::

We should start making merch.

::

Because I want Rebootquill

::

to be on the shirt.

::

Because I feel like we come

::

up with these phrases that

::

just are like...

::

That's true.

::

I think that I love that

::

word because that's exactly

::

what these movies are.

::

I don't know how else to explain.

::

It's not a reboot.

::

It's not a sequel because it is the third.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It's a reboot, Quill.

::

It really is.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

Like, I had a lot of fun with it,

::

as much as I kind of, like,

::

talked about all the things

::

that bugged me and all the

::

different side quest-y type stuff.

::

Because that's way more fun.

::

To everybody's point,

::

to everybody's point thus far,

::

this was a fun movie to watch.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

And especially as someone

::

who is an avid Ghostbusters fan,

::

I didn't have a lot of issue with it.

::

It feels very similar to me.

::

Like, if you watch Ghostbusters 2,

::

that one kind of makes you

::

kind of ask a lot of questions of,

::

like...

::

they're doing a lot in this.

::

And so this definitely feels

::

kind of similar to that one of like,

::

they're doing a lot in this one.

::

Um, so yeah, there's, yeah.

::

But, uh, gentlemen,

::

anything else about the

::

movie or shall we pivot on

::

over into what do you all have to plug?

::

I want to talk about the

::

schedule a little bit.

::

Let's do it.

::

Next week on the podcast,

::

this week we did our

::

Ghostbusters Frozen Empire

::

review and our Elite Eight bracket.

::

April the 10th episode on that Wednesday,

::

if you don't catch us here

::

earlier with the live stream,

::

which you can catch us every week,

::

Monday at 8 p.m.

::

on Facebook and YouTube.

::

We will do a news episode

::

next week and the Final

::

Four bracket and

::

championship round will be happening.

::

And then the week after that,

::

we will be getting into our

::

Civil War review.

::

And this does not include

::

our bonus episode of Patreon,

::

where we will be reviewing a movie.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Doug's selection.

::

Yeah, Doug needs to figure that out.

::

I have a couple.

::

I have to narrow it down.

::

I'm kind of going back and

::

forth between...

::

For those that don't know,

::

you can always join our

::

Patreon right now.

::

At any moment,

::

you can join the Patreon and

::

be a producer.

::

We'll give you a shout out, insert a quote,

::

whatever it is you want to do.

::

We have all reviewed movies

::

that have been a major part

::

of our growing ups and

::

experiences and our movie love.

::

We did Brian, we did myself,

::

and Doug is the last piece of that.

::

That's the schedule.

::

Stay tuned.

::

Stay locked in with us.

::

Absolutely.

::

Absolutely.

::

Brian, what do you have to plug this week?

::

Hey, folks, go check out the Etsy shop.

::

Color me confetti.

::

Go to Etsy dot com and put

::

in that search bar.

::

Color me confetti.

::

That is my wife's printable

::

decoration shop.

::

Go get it.

::

Go get a decoration.

::

You got an event coming up.

::

You don't want to go out.

::

You just go to that site.

::

You print out your decorations.

::

Easy, simple and time saving.

::

So go to color me confetti on Etsy.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

You always want to make sure

::

you follow the mantra, never offend it,

::

always humble.

::

Go stream yourself some new

::

music from Soul Tide coming

::

out here soon.

::

New song, Link,

::

is going to be out very soon.

::

S-O-U-L-T-Y-E.

::

Go stream some music from Marcus Destin.

::

I'm working on my next

::

project as we speak.

::

Also, another Monday playlist, number 13,

::

is out right now.

::

You can hit the link in my

::

bio on all of my socials,

::

at Marcus J. Destin.

::

Hit the link in the bio.

::

Those are curated playlists

::

created every single Monday

::

curated for you to just hit play.

::

And so enjoy that.

::

But above anything else,

::

make sure you follow the mantra.

::

Never offended.

::

Always humble.

::

Absolutely.

::

If you are feeling like you

::

enjoyed this conversation,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

That is what I have to plug.

::

And that is what I'm asking.

::

It is the best way to

::

support not just this podcast,

::

but any podcast you love is

::

sharing us with a friend or

::

a family member,

::

telling us the telling them,

::

Hey,

::

I'm listening to something really cool.

::

I think you should check it out.

::

And so, yeah, that's what I'm asking for.

::

In addition to all the great

::

things Marcus talked about,

::

about our uncoupling schedule.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have a three-step process to success.

::

Brian, what is that first step?

::

Hey, folks,

::

I'm here to tell you to read a book.

::

Do you want to be an interesting person?

::

Yeah, of course you do.

::

Read a book.

::

That's it.

::

No.

::

You don't want to be an

::

interesting person?

::

Yes, you do.

::

Read a book.

::

I am all set.

::

Our second step is, look, drink some water,

::

y'all.

::

It's important to stay hydrated.

::

April showers don't just

::

bring May flowers.

::

April showers bring water,

::

and water helps you grow.

::

So make sure that you drink some water.

::

It's important.

::

And treat yourself to the nice water.

::

A bubbler is a nice water.

::

I would count that,

::

because there ain't other...

::

I don't know what Marcus said.

::

Something about there not

::

being another one like you.

::

Some Voss, a Fiji, one of those.

::

But enjoy yourself some water.

::

Marcus, lay us down with that third step.

::

I just want to make sure you wash your ass,

::

please.

::

I know we're coming into April.

::

It's still a little chilly outside,

::

but the summer is coming.

::

You know the best way to

::

prep yourself is start

::

drinking water right now.

::

Whatever you've been

::

drinking and holding in all

::

winter is going to leak out

::

through your pores and your asshole.

::

So make sure that you are washing your ass,

::

get new towels.

::

Now's the time for spring cleaning.

::

Go to Walmart.

::

They got a deal right now.

::

Get you a bundle of big

::

towels and little towels and face towels.

::

But wash your ass.

::

Sometimes also,

::

in addition to washing your ass,

::

sometimes that's enough.

::

The hair in your ass also holds odor.

::

So, you know, sometimes you got to shampoo,

::

shave, whatever it is you got to do.

::

If it ain't cutting it and

::

your ass still stink, shave the hairs.

::

That's what's holding all that odor in.

::

Wash your ass.

::

There you have it.

::

Shave the hairs.

::

There you have it.

::

You heard it here first.

::

Shave the hairs.

::

That does it for this week's

::

episode of Films of Black and White.

::

We'll be back next week with

::

another outstanding episode.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

Shave the hairs!

::

What's going to happen to your ass stink?

::

I mean,

::

it's just holding all that damn odor.

::

All the stink.

::

Why are you shaking your heart?

::

What the?

::

What?

::

No, that's a one-hit stream bot.

::

Oh, okay.

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