Episode 25

American Psycho Review aka "Tip to Screen"

Published on: 3rd July, 2024

We asked our Patty Family(aka Patreon subscribers) to pick our movie this week, and they did not disappoint.

But before we get into it, we played our weekly game of Catch That Quotable. Doug gives us a very quick overview of Inside Out 2. Bryan enjoys his favorite pastime, dunking on Paramount Plus. Marcus continues to sing the praises of James Gunn.

Finally, we get to the Patty Family selection, the 2000 movie American Psycho starring Christian Bale, Justin Theroux, Josh Lucas, and Willem Dafoe. We unpack all of the twist and turns of this cinematic classic.

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Transcript
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Hit it.

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It's 805.

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Just hit it.

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DJ, spin that shit.

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Welcome to Films of Black

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and White everybody!

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Happy Independence Day.

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Now you gotta pick between

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your Juneteenth episode or

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our July 4th episode.

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Those were the last two.

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That's quite the turn.

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American Psycho being the

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July 4th episode makes me so happy.

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I am over the moon.

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Good one.

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um if you're not watching

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the live stream highly

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encourage you do my

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favorite moments for that

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are catching clips of brian

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that I don't remember like

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there's a clip of brian

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with his old wallpaper like

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dancing like this and I

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want to know what episode

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is that from when did that

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happen because the

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wallpaper makes it so much

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better yeah um is it in the intro

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Yeah,

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that's definitely an episode where we

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were celebrating something.

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Or maybe it was just a regular intro.

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Because sometimes Brian

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dances before we had the clip intros.

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It was just like right into it.

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I want to say it might have

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been the 100th.

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It might have been.

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I could also imagine it

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being that movie Fresh, Brian.

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oh oh yeah the same sort of

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dance that and it so I

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could always see that the

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movie that finally got

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britney to be like no I'm

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not watching the movie I'm

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not watching with no I'm

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surprised I haven't gotten

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to that point you haven't

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you've been lucky so far so yeah um

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But, gentlemen, and everybody listening,

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we have a great episode.

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We asked our Patty family to

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pick the movie this week.

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Yes.

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And they picked the 2000s

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American Psycho starring Christian Bale.

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And so we are going to get

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into that later.

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There's also some other news

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that we're going to –

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talk about, too, here and there.

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But we've got a full episode.

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We've got a full whole stack

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to get through.

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So, in order to do this well,

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in order to do it right,

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I've got to make sure

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everybody is thoroughly

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welcomed and introed and

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brought into this space.

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I'm going to kick it on over

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to Brian Rausch.

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Brian, how are you feeling, sir?

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Man, I went on a rollercoaster today,

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so I'm very happy to be

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here because I feel like

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I'm going to even out.

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I know for the next two

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hours it's going to be enjoyable, so...

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very very excited to be here

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um I unexpectedly did not

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have child care today so I

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had to call off work which

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is like okay cool but then

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it's like it's just me and

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these three kids it is go

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go go so that was like my

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morning and then I had to

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attend a wake uh for for a

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neighbor that passed away so that like

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changed the mood a bit um

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yeah but now I'm here and

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I'm feeling the good vibes

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so I'm good it's good to be

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here it's good to be with

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my guys also like on a

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short week on a short work

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week yeah yeah uh yeah very

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very excited to talk about

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american psycho as well because

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I watched this alone at 11

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PM on Saturday night.

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And I just kind of was alone

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by myself with my thoughts

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after it ended.

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And that's why,

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that's why I have my Chiron

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as the post movie cartoon.

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Cause I had to flip on

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Simpsons after this or something to like,

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Get my brain in the right

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space to fall asleep.

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Yep, I get that.

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Brian,

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you were like the weekend in that

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Super Bowl spot where he

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was turning those mirrored corners.

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Not quite sure what he was

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going to come up on next.

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Hilarious.

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It's the toys and there's a mess.

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Oh God, it's awake.

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You just were all over the place.

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Pretty much.

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Day off of work.

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All right.

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Three kids.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The head waiter from the movie Casablanca.

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Two-day work week.

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I'm with you, Roman.

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Shout out to the short work week.

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You know what I think I

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figured out here just from

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conversations with Roman?

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Shout out to Roman Myers.

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Great guy.

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He's a big part of our Patreon,

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our Patty family.

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If you hear us talking about

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him throughout the episode,

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it's because they,

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we have him or others

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joining us in the comments.

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So when we stop to read

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random comments or get

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stopped in our tracks and

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don't read random comments,

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because that would be, you know,

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risky to do on air.

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That's why also, I also figured out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Head writer from the movie Casablanca.

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Roman Myers is a great,

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he's a super great guy.

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I also think that there

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Roman may or may not be using like the

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nicknames to cover himself

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from maybe his family or his job?

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Because I got a weird

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message from him the other day of like,

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yeah, I can't let

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people know because of some

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of the things that are said.

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So I don't know if we're

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supposed to be like calling them out,

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like reading the nickname

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and then going straight into, hey, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, a.k.a.

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Roman Myers.

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They don't watch this.

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They don't watch this.

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That makes me feel a lot better.

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Don't worry about it, man.

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Actually, yeah, no, I hate that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Fuck me.

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Yeah, keep going.

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But Marcus J. Destin, good transition.

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Marcus J. Destin, aka,

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this is my black job.

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How you feeling, sir?

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This is my black job.

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This is one-third a black-owned business.

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That's right.

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He's absolutely right.

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This is truthful.

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I didn't know how else to

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split it and break it down, but

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No, I'm feeling good.

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You know, it was a hell of a Monday.

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We're in July for those

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working in higher ed.

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Yeah, you're in July.

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Good gracious from on high.

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So, like, it's going to get pretty crazy.

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But it's going to get weird, everybody.

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Yeah, feeling good, though.

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I'm here with my guys.

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I'm in the same boat as Brian.

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Ready to just fucking be

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here and fucking party, dude.

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Yeah.

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Very excited.

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What about you, Doug?

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How are you?

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Uh, doing well, had a good weekend.

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Uh,

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went out and about with some friends on

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Saturday, uh, which was a lot of fun.

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So that was a blast to did

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that with what spent some

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time with Marcus and, uh, Megan,

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Richard Shaw and John little.

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So shout out to those two.

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So, which was a lot of fun.

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Um,

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And then other than that,

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it's just been sort of like

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getting ready.

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We're going to travel this

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week to go see family for the fourth.

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So just gearing up for that.

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And then, yeah, it's July.

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So it's going to be kind of a sprint.

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I have a conference.

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Then I'm going to cabin and

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I have a week and then I

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got to travel again.

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So it's just like it's July.

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So like I'm just like in it,

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which is which is really, really great.

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So the weather's been nice.

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So, I mean, it's hard to argue with that.

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I mean, it was like 75 and sunny.

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So, yeah, it was great.

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Phenomenal.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But gentlemen,

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we have a whole episode to get to.

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So I and we need to put a

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game we call Catch That Quotable.

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Catch that quotable.

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Silky sounds of Marcus J. Gentlemen,

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are you ready for this week's quote?

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Hit me.

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All right.

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Hit me.

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I've got to go, Julia.

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We got cows.

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I know this.

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I will buzz in full confidence.

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100%.

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This is Twister.

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This is absolutely Twister.

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Maggie, if you're watching,

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be proud of me.

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This is one of her favorite movies.

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It's an easy one.

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Don't say that because we got it, Roman.

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You know what I mean?

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Sometimes we just got that

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shit because we know movies.

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We do know some movies.

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Not a lot of them.

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We know more than most is

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what I'm realizing.

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We know more movies.

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That's true.

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That's very true.

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Yeah, for sure.

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But an $80,

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so we're going to announce that charity.

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We're very close.

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All right.

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I got to start researching non-profit.

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You got to get on your non-profit bank.

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Remember,

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the next one is going to a

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domestic violence, and we want to match.

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I blanked on that.

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Yes,

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it will be an organization related to

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domestic violence.

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I want to be a man of my word.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Absolutely.

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We got your back.

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Absolutely.

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But gentlemen,

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before we get into American Psycho,

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you all have some news

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pieces because you all did

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a good job of doing homework.

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I did not.

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So what do you all have to chat about?

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Dealer's choice on who goes first.

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Brian, you want to go first?

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Yeah, I'll go first.

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And it's I'm going to be

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honest with you folks that

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you've heard this one before.

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And it's because I just

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really like dunking on

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Paramount because they've

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made such a large series of

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poor decisions in such a

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short amount of time.

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It's just fascinating to me.

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So you're probably like,

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what did Paramount do this time, Brian?

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Well, I'm here to tell you, Paramount.

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plus back at it again

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they're trying to find

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another dance partner to

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merge their streaming

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service with and according

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to cnbc that streaming

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service is max so nice if

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you like max and you're

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like you know what I kind

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of want some spongebob on

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here well you're in luck so

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right now according to cnbc

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there are active talks between wb

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And Paramount about merging

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those services and analysis

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is all over the place.

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It's about I'd say it's

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about a 50 50 chance of

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this actually happens.

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And a lot of folks are

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saying that if they were to

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go into a deal together,

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the profits would not be split evenly.

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It's very clearly it's

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something that would be

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good for Paramount Plus to

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get their their products

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out in front of more people

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in a better delivery system,

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essentially with a wider net.

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And on top of it, they would get more.

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They're basically like,

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we'll have more exposure.

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That sounds great.

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This at the same time.

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Now,

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there is a new suitor that would like

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to buy Paramount.

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He goes by the name Barry Diller.

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If you don't know who that is, that's OK.

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He was the CEO of the

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Paramount Corporation in

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the 70s and the 80s.

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His big claim to fame is

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that when he was at the helm,

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Laverne and Shirley, Taxi, Cheers,

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and Grease,

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as well as Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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So we got some hits in here.

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But those were his big

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claims to fame when he was

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running Paramount.

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So this guy who ran it in

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the 80s is now trying to buy Paramount.

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I was just going to say, what was it,

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1978?

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Yeah, pretty much.

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His last hit before he left

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the studio was Beverly Hills Cop in 1984.

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Okay.

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The first week?

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The original Beverly Hills Cop?

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The original Beverly Hills Cop.

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So he's been out of the game a little bit.

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Obviously,

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he's been doing stuff in between then.

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But that is who is trying to

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make a bid for Paramount now.

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So Paramount, they're going through it.

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They're raising prices.

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They're trying to find a

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partner to stream with.

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And now they have somebody

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new who's trying to buy them out.

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After the other deal fell

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through with Skydance.

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So Paramount going through it right now.

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I envision.

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A short balding white man.

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With really big glasses.

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Who smokes a lot of cigars.

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Who's going to walk up and say.

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You know what the kids want these days.

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And he's got like.

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That's exactly.

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That's who he is.

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That's Barry.

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And Barry is going to be like.

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They want more sitcoms.

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Doug, you're not far off.

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This is the picture of him at the Met.

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I don't have a date.

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We're looking at a picture

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of a white guy in a tux.

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That's it for me.

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Good night, everybody.

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White Nostradamus.

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How did you do that?

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, he's got the white hair on his eyes.

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Those cigars might have been

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already white.

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I don't know why I called them white.

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Yeah,

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all he needs is the cigar Doug's

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talking about.

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You know what?

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He definitely has his reading glasses.

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And he has a painting of

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dogs playing poker in his office.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's all I need to know.

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That's all I need to know.

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Say no more.

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Bob Iger,

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as soon as I found out he had

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those newspaper clippings

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in his bathroom.

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I knew.

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I'm the Ike.

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I'm the Ike.

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Double shower day.

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Cancel all my five feet.

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I'm the big, I'm the B-I-G.

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Bye-bye, girl.

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I'm the notorious B-I-G.

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It's me.

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It's me.

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Wow.

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Well, Brian, and here's the thing.

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I almost wonder if Max would

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have too much stuff on it.

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You know what I mean?

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At some point in time,

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you're going to get to

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decision fatigue and it's

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going to defeat the purpose.

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It's going to be so much

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stuff that you walk away from it.

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Netflix is good enough.

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You can see your highlights

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well enough and they have a

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user interface that works.

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Max's isn't that great.

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They're going to have to figure that out.

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I think...

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So I'll kind of play devil's

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advocate here.

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I don't think Max's is that bad.

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You have to scroll down a

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bit to get to the point

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where you can pick the icons,

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but Max's interface has

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never been like it's

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going thing for itself like

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it's user it's not like I

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think disney plus has the

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easiest for me it's like

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everything that all the

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things that were separated

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into even hulu they've just

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added hulu and gave it a

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nice little cool intro at

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the top of disney plus now

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so like that incorporation

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seemed kind of like

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flawless and seamless they

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even changed their branding

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to kind of be that hue of

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green to kind of show the

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combination of everything

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yep I don't think max you

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do got to go down a little

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bit far but I don't think

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it's terrible but it is a

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lot of shit on there

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I mean,

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I would think like because Netflix

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and Disney Plus have it so

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easy to see like the things

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that you were recently watching.

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And it's just kind of like

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they've made them very

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small on Max's display that

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I feel like it would be

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hard for me to get back to

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the things that I like.

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So anyway, I agree.

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I do want to say that I feel

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like Max's philosophy here is like.

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It reminds me of like the

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giant tabloid newspapers back in the day.

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I don't see him as much anymore, but like,

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it would be like bat boy or whatever.

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And it's like, Whoa,

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that guy looks like a bad on the cover.

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And I feel like with Max, it's like, Hey,

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do you like house of dragon?

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And that's just the entire splash page.

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And you're like,

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I do, and they're like, great,

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just click this thing.

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And you're like, okay,

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but if you want to say like, hey,

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I'd like to find the

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original Wonder Woman, it's like,

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you better keep tabbing, buddy.

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Fucking grab a shovel, bud,

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because you've got to get

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through some stuff.

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You're going way past the rest.

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You're definitely not

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finding Wonder Woman on that, so yeah,

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I actually contribute to that.

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I did.

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I contradicted myself a little bit.

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I have a question for Doug

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whenever Brian's doing his thing.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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So, Doug,

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we didn't read your nickname this week,

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your AKA.

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It's Doug Hoodie and the Blowfish.

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What's happening there?

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Can you tell us a little bit

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about what that's about?

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Okay,

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so I went out with Marcus and other

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folks on Thursday,

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and I don't think they're

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going to invite me back.

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Here's the thing.

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I was laughing so hard.

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Brian, my eyelids hurt.

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That's how hard I was laughing, Doug.

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So we went to CC's to start.

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Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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I always like to protect my white friend,

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right?

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Doug is a good white friend of mine.

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Right.

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And I feel like this might

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be setting you up for failure.

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No, no, no, no.

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Because it was a genuine mistake.

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No, no, no.

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Oh,

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you're not telling the part that I said.

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No,

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I'm going to say that part because

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that's what made me laugh.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Keep going.

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And that's what I can't stop

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thinking about.

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So anyway, so I don't know.

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I had a I had a THC seltzer

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with my dinner.

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I obtained it legally

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because it's sold by the establishment.

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So there's that.

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And then we had dinner and

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we're sitting there and a

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song came on and I can't

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remember what it was.

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No,

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we were talking because Marcus is going

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to DJ a wedding,

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but the wedding is going to

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have a lot of like 90s country.

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So I'm very excited to see

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him a part of that scene.

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Hope you like Toby Keith.

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Yep.

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I actually do like Toby.

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Oh, okay.

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I listen to a lot of different stuff.

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But anyway,

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what's funny is some of us are like, yeah,

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you can't even do...

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God, hoodie in the blowfish.

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I fucking did it again.

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You can't even say hoodie in the blowfish.

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And then I said, like, yeah,

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I looked at I looked at Marcus and I went,

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yeah, hoodie and the blowfish.

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But right when I said hoodie, my eyes,

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Brian, went like, like, oh, no,

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like super wide.

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And of course, I'm a little high.

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So I start like laughing like.

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Marcus starts laughing.

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He goes, is that a Trayvon Martin joke?

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And that's when I lost it.

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That's when my eyes closed

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and I was in tears.

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I was laughing so hard and I still Brian,

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I lied down.

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yesterday and thought about

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that moment and laughed at

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myself still it is so funny

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it's it's okay so let me

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explain this because it

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probably doesn't sound as

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great okay listen it's so

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funny it was because okay

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wait stop saying it's funny

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okay because listen it's it

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this is why it came out

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that way it was such a

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quick reaction from me not laughing at

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the Trayvon Martin incident at all.

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We were talking about

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hoodies and like everybody

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can wear a hoodie,

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everybody can like put on a

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hoodie and things like that.

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It was like,

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he looked at me with all the

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confidence and said the word hoodie.

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I made the comment back to

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make him feel white guilt.

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And so that is why.

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He started laughing and

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that's what happened.

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Everybody do not cancel Doug.

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It was, yes, that's just what happened.

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I knew that.

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I'm not laughing at that incident.

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That incident is horrible.

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This like five, not even five seconds.

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It was like five milliseconds.

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It was like so quick.

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Cause I said it.

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And right when it left my mouth,

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I was like, Nope, Doug, that's wrong.

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Like in my head.

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And Marcus was like, you're right.

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It is.

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And I got you.

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It was very much a public I

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got you moment.

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I got you.

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Marcus had been gatekept by

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me and then by another

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person who was attending this dinner.

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This was a good moment for him.

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I'm very proud of him.

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Yeah.

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All right, let's move on.

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Marcus, you know it's bad, right?

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It's bad because Brian has

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not said anything.

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Not a boy howdy.

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He backed up from the microphone.

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Not an oh my.

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The one third black old part

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of this is not strong

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enough for us to survive that.

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I appreciate that you shared

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that with me and I'm glad

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you had a good time.

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is what I'm saying in the

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episode in the episode

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right now it did right now

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anyway all right moving on

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moving on moving on so

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gentlemen I'm just gonna go

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for all of those that are

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listeners um I realize that

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we explained to you all

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what the images are on

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there you know to be

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accessible to everybody but

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also you should just come

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and hop into the live

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stream we stream this for free

::

every monday on youtube and

::

facebook and twitch um and

::

to other places in the

::

future if need be so I'm

::

not going to do that this

::

time what I'm what I'm just

::

going to give you all a

::

preface here's what I'm

::

going to do there's some

::

images that came up online

::

for different projects that

::

are coming out um some of

::

these are leaks some of

::

these are official stills

::

and images from like vanity

::

fair or images from the

::

trailers that drop I'm just

::

showing the images so that

::

we can just kind of see if

::

see what you've seen or see

::

what you know about them

::

but I will mention the

::

projects that we're showing

::

for those listening all

::

right is everybody ready

::

Another image from James Gunn's Superman.

::

It looks like a very first flight moment.

::

What we have here is David

::

Cornswit in his iconic Superman suit,

::

looking good in the suit.

::

The suit is growing on me significantly.

::

It is very much my

::

adventures with Superman.

::

That's exactly what the suit is.

::

If you watch that show that

::

is on Max and on Adult Swim,

::

that's exactly what this suit is.

::

It's a perfect combination of New 52,

::

Christopher Reeves.

::

It's everything.

::

So this looks like a first

::

flight moment in the streets.

::

Also, attached to that, James Gunn,

::

you know,

::

he's good at answering people's

::

tweets and answering people's threads.

::

They were like, oh,

::

so basically all of the

::

movie has gotten spoiled, right,

::

with all the leaks from this week.

::

And he says, no,

::

I would never shoot major

::

spoilers in an open city like that.

::

And that's all he kind of said.

::

So I think there's a lot more on the way.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, like, I feel like...

::

I mean, I think he's right.

::

I think he knows this is

::

part of the hype cycle now, right?

::

Because I feel like anybody

::

worth their comic book

::

weight is going to shoot

::

any of this stuff in a

::

super high private studio.

::

Like the...

::

The final Tony Stark moment

::

in Endgame was like

::

literally five people in a black box.

::

On lockdown.

::

Nobody knew they were there doing it.

::

So to me, this is part of the hype cycle.

::

This is part of the advertising cycle now.

::

So I think it looks great.

::

The collar looks less

::

pronounced now in that outfit.

::

Yeah, they changed it.

::

Right.

::

I'm wondering if it's two

::

different outfits.

::

I'm wondering if costume or

::

direct or gun himself was like, eh,

::

maybe the collar's not working.

::

Um, I don't know.

::

I think the suit looks great

::

and I like that they're

::

borrowing more elements

::

from the later comics.

::

Um, I just, I, yeah, I'm,

::

I'm good doing the, the, the, like he's,

::

he has trunks.

::

I'm glad there is a defined

::

midsection to Superman.

::

Cause I,

::

That Henry Cavill suit,

::

it just kind of looks like pajamas.

::

It does look like a little

::

bit of a onesie.

::

Not the black suit one.

::

Black suit one looks absolutely fire.

::

It's not as pronounced.

::

Also,

::

whatever the fuck James Gunn got in

::

this man's frontal part,

::

I don't know if that's a

::

sock or if that's just cornfoot himself,

::

but Jesus Christ, dude,

::

you got to tone this shit down.

::

I know you're Superman, but fuck,

::

we got wives and

::

girlfriends out here and partners.

::

You got to relax, dude.

::

Jesus Christ.

::

You're in Cleveland, Ohio.

::

poking out like that.

::

This is Ohio.

::

This is what Marcus is saying.

::

You're not my favorite.

::

I don't need to see your man of steel.

::

One of my favorite memes.

::

That was funny, dude.

::

Way funnier than the Trayvon thing.

::

One of my favorite jokes.

::

Not to me.

::

One of my favorite jokes

::

that I see is like,

::

it's the meme of the guy

::

and the girl texting back and forth.

::

And they say, she says,

::

I'm really in a bad state right now.

::

And he says, oh, you're in Cleveland?

::

Oh, you're in Ohio?

::

You're in Ohio?

::

That's hilarious.

::

Next two images.

::

This is the new Hellboy.

::

The Hellboy the Cricket Man

::

with Jack Casey playing Hellboy.

::

That makes sense.

::

Jack Casey playing it.

::

I watched the trailer today.

::

I was going to do a live

::

reaction for you all,

::

but it's kind of like a simple...

::

it's it's a good trailer I

::

enjoyed it it looks like

::

you know it looks like more

::

of a hellboy take off of

::

the comics like the

::

original hellboy comics

::

yeah it looks like a more

::

of a they're leaning into

::

the horror vibe like that's

::

they leaned into that a

::

hundred percent yeah very

::

much so so I I'm I dig it

::

like I was like okay all

::

right you got me like I

::

like that I really like

::

what they're doing with it it looks good

::

I like what they're doing with Godzilla.

::

I think there's a few

::

characters that you can do this with,

::

and Hellboy seems to be one of them.

::

You don't need Ron Perlman

::

coming and playing this only iteration.

::

Maybe there's multiple.

::

Wait, didn't David... Am I hallucinating?

::

Didn't David... What's his

::

name from David Harbour?

::

Red Guardian do Stranger

::

Things do a Hellboy movie?

::

He did, and it kind of flopped.

::

But his version was not too well.

::

His version wasn't.

::

I didn't think it was a

::

terrible movie like people made it seem.

::

Yeah, it just wasn't.

::

It didn't get received well.

::

Oh, OK.

::

All right.

::

Which is too bad because

::

Hellboy is an awesome character.

::

It is.

::

I mean,

::

there's so many things that you can

::

do with Hellboy.

::

And if you did it right,

::

there's so many stories you can tell.

::

They're leading up to

::

Hellboy's big moment.

::

Mm hmm.

::

All right, a couple more images here.

::

This one is ahead of the San

::

Diego Comic-Con.

::

It's on the flag banners.

::

People have captured it,

::

but they have put this all

::

together in one.

::

This is our teaser image for

::

the Fantastic Four.

::

Love it.

::

Here you'll see the

::

silhouettes and kind of very 60s-ish,

::

70s-ish images.

::

by the hairstyle of Susan Storm.

::

But you get the silhouettes

::

of Reed Richards, of Sue Storm,

::

Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm as the thing,

::

kind of getting a hint of

::

what the thing will look like,

::

which is a big question.

::

I know a lot of people have been kind of

::

Asking and wondering because

::

there's a pile of rocks or

::

whatever the fuck that was

::

in Fanfurtastic.

::

Fanfurtastic.

::

No pants.

::

He's just all rock.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

What a movie.

::

Let's let his boulders flap in the wind.

::

He's a man made of rock.

::

He can do whatever he wants.

::

Honestly, yeah.

::

It's all just a figment of

::

your imagination.

::

These last couple images are

::

all from Gladiator via Vanity Fair.

::

So the Gladiator 2 movie.

::

So if you haven't seen these,

::

this one is our man, our very handsome.

::

I am.

::

His name is slipping my mind.

::

Okay,

::

I did not know Pedro Pascal was in

::

Gladiator 2.

::

Yes.

::

Holy buckets, he looks good.

::

Great image of them fighting and in action,

::

which is the son of the

::

original Gladiator.

::

So here's another image.

::

But one of my favorite images, I think,

::

was the coldest one,

::

and it's fucking Denzel Washington.

::

God damn gladiator too.

::

And he has a gold hoop earring.

::

He's looking like an emperor of some sort.

::

Badass motherfucker.

::

I mean,

::

that's just Denzel is you can tell

::

he's getting older, but fuck me.

::

He looked good.

::

He's, he's owning that.

::

Yeah.

::

That's commanding that presence.

::

I'll be honest,

::

I have been very skeptical

::

of Gladiator 2.

::

Oh, 100%.

::

I don't really understand.

::

I shouldn't say that.

::

I understand how you can do a sequel.

::

I'm sitting here like,

::

any sequel is going to pale

::

in comparison to the first one.

::

Honestly,

::

these images kind of have me excited,

::

at least for the look and vibe of it.

::

Because we haven't gotten a

::

trailer for this, right?

::

No.

::

I don't think so.

::

No.

::

Which is really surprising

::

considering how much they've shot.

::

I think they're almost done.

::

I think they put this out to reaffirm.

::

They seem like they're some

::

of these movies are going

::

back to their old school ways.

::

Right.

::

Of like the way that they do

::

their marketing,

::

the way that they release

::

it in the magazines first.

::

Like I'm starting to see

::

that kind of come back to

::

and some leaks are also

::

kind of going down a little bit, too.

::

Right.

::

Like more of the photo leaks.

::

like I don't see that as

::

much but maybe that was

::

just because marvel and at

::

some point marvel was the

::

only ones making projects

::

is consistently I mean well

::

they had so many like there

::

were so many of them yeah

::

think about it like there's

::

just short of short of like

::

when fantastic four shoots

::

like there's just not going

::

to be that much for them to

::

but no captain america no I

::

haven't seen I haven't seen

::

any leaks from that just

::

the fact that there's a

::

bunch of reshoots but no

::

I mean,

::

I feel like the Cap set was a

::

little porous, though.

::

I mean, but also at the same time,

::

it's not entirely their

::

fault because the schedule

::

kept getting moved around,

::

and then they've also kept

::

some stuff quiet.

::

One of the characters that was going to be

::

featured the more Jewish character.

::

Sorry, I don't remember her name.

::

She's an agent.

::

We're going to be canceled.

::

I just got canceled.

::

You all didn't hear it,

::

but there was a sharp

::

buzzing that happened in this year.

::

It just went super high-pitched,

::

and I went, yep, okay, that's it.

::

I'm canceled.

::

That's it.

::

That is the one saying and coming for me.

::

No, no, no.

::

I'm going to remember her name.

::

Sabra.

::

Sabra or whatever.

::

Sabra.

::

sabra I can't remember her

::

name but she's like a

::

mutant that works is a

::

israeli superhero yes she's

::

an she's a mutant that

::

works for the israeli super

::

secret intelligence or

::

whatever she's quietly been

::

exited from the from the

::

project and then uh

::

mcdonald's did their thing

::

and basically acknowledged

::

that red hulk is in this

::

thing even though they

::

never said it so it's like i

::

kind of feel bad for that

::

movie because the

::

schedule's been messed up

::

so bad they also had to

::

change the title because it

::

was a white there was a dog

::

whistle white supremacist

::

dog whistle so like I don't

::

know part some of that

::

stuff I feel like we have

::

got but it's not entirely

::

their fault from like leaks

::

or photos like

::

photographers finding stuff

::

marcus are you okay I

::

changed my my chiro cancel

::

that my black job yeah yeah

::

it's not supposed to happen

::

to you yeah you've heard

::

when one goes down we all

::

go down well hey wait he

::

said he was gonna protect

::

the black jobs right I

::

think he's not doing a great job

::

And I'm not, first of all,

::

I'm not trusting him to

::

protect the black job.

::

And what the fuck is a black job?

::

You just call the president and be like,

::

I need you to protect the black job.

::

What the fuck is a black job?

::

I don't know, man.

::

That's insane.

::

Not me.

::

Not me.

::

Not me.

::

Not today.

::

Not me.

::

That knows.

::

Not me.

::

Brian, any other news that you have?

::

Nope.

::

I did my double dunk on Paramount+.

::

Godspeed to you all.

::

I have a quick... I forgot

::

that I do have a quick news update.

::

I took the kids to see Inside Out 2.

::

It was very good.

::

I will say this, though.

::

It's...

::

Disney, they did a good job.

::

They captured someone who

::

struggles with anxiety.

::

Fuck.

::

They fucking nailed it.

::

They were like,

::

do you see you in the theater?

::

I'm talking to you.

::

I was like, oh, shit.

::

The problem is that I feel

::

like with some of these,

::

that movie's just,

::

I don't think it's

::

necessarily a kid's movie.

::

What?

::

I think it's a tween movie.

::

Oh, got it.

::

And I don't say that because

::

she's supposed to be a teenager,

::

like going into high school.

::

That's irrelevant.

::

The problem is that there's

::

so much nuance to the way

::

that this is that it's really hard.

::

Kids do better with a black

::

and white perspective,

::

like a black and white structure.

::

There's a good.

::

There's a bad.

::

There's someone who's the

::

one you're rooting for,

::

the one that you're rooting against.

::

Of course.

::

and the feeling that at

::

least my kids left this movie was like,

::

Oh, so anxiety is a bad feeling.

::

And I was like, I was like, not,

::

not exactly.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, yeah, but not exactly.

::

So like it's fostered a conversation,

::

which was really great.

::

And I really appreciated it, but like,

::

I don't, it was tough.

::

It was tough because you

::

want to have someone that's bad.

::

Right.

::

And it's just,

::

there's a lot of nuance with that one.

::

So, yeah.

::

yeah that's that's tough I

::

I've seen a lot of people

::

talking about it there was

::

a woman who made a video I

::

think it was on tick tock

::

and apparently she had like

::

an entire she had entire

::

emotional experience like

::

because they in the movie

::

doug do they basically

::

depict an anxiety attack

::

They depict a panic attack.

::

So, yeah, yeah.

::

So essentially there's a

::

moment and spoiler alert,

::

but you've seen it in the

::

trailers and it's on video.

::

Yeah, it's been out for a few weeks,

::

but I won't get into the details.

::

But, you know,

::

Riley is trying to get on to

::

the hockey team,

::

the high school hockey team.

::

Um, and at this point in time,

::

anxiety has taken over and

::

essentially has said like

::

putting a lot of,

::

she's putting a lot of

::

pressure on herself and she

::

gets called for a foul and

::

she has to go sit in the box.

::

And that's when anxiety starts to sit.

::

And what I think that they

::

did really well visually is it spins.

::

around and around and around

::

and around and around and

::

around in a circle because

::

it's essentially nothing.

::

She can't get herself to a

::

point where there's

::

anything productive she can do about it.

::

So she sits there and sits and just,

::

it starts.

::

And then there's other

::

things that happen that I won't share,

::

but you can see that she's

::

grabbing her chest.

::

She's breathing really heavy.

::

She's crying.

::

And on the inside and headquarters,

::

it is this orange world of

::

just anxious energy.

::

And so it's, it's a lot, it's a lot.

::

And it, but you know what?

::

Fucking nailed it.

::

Like they, I mean, that's impressive.

::

They nailed that entirely.

::

I mean, they nailed the logic of it too,

::

of like,

::

you know they and what I

::

think that they did is they

::

did such and fuck did

::

fucking disney like they

::

did such a good job at the

::

end like coaching you like

::

you like well what can you

::

do with your anxiety and

::

it's like right make it sit

::

in its chair until you need

::

it to do what it's designed

::

to do don't let it get

::

involved in this shit it

::

doesn't need to be involved

::

If you're worried about a test,

::

that's great.

::

Anxious energy.

::

Cause it motivates you to study.

::

You're not great when you're

::

trying to like, you know,

::

trying to make decisions

::

for the rest of your life.

::

And so like, yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

So it's, it was very good.

::

And I enjoyed it.

::

The kids enjoyed it, but there were some,

::

you know,

::

conversations where we kind of

::

had to have been like, well, like, yeah.

::

And so, which are hard.

::

And those are hard.

::

They're very,

::

especially for a five and a

::

seven year old.

::

So I would say maybe a little bit older.

::

I mean, no kid, younger kids enjoy it,

::

but,

::

I think probably 9, 10,

::

11-year-olds probably got a

::

lot out of that.

::

For sure.

::

And I think that also speaks

::

to where you go if you're

::

making Inside Out a franchise.

::

I think it makes sense to

::

have these five basic

::

emotions as you start out as a kid.

::

But as soon as you hit that 10, 11,

::

12-year-old stage,

::

there's so much happening.

::

happening that I'm not

::

surprised that kids under

::

10 would have a hard time

::

grasping or grappling with

::

right because it's not

::

happy or sad or disgusted

::

or scared it's like it's

::

kind of more complicated

::

like anxiety or just you

::

don't feel anxiety envy

::

embarrassment and ennui uh

::

I have questions about

::

ennui they printed ennui is

::

like oh it's just boredom

::

But then they also made ennui sarcastic,

::

and I was like,

::

you kind of need to pick a

::

couple lanes here,

::

because ennui is a very

::

complicated French term.

::

Ennui is like, I have lack of purpose.

::

That's what ennui is.

::

And they were like, no, no,

::

reduce it to the very most.

::

And you have to.

::

But you're right, Brian.

::

I mean...

::

What are you going to do?

::

We know you're making a sequel.

::

What are you going to do?

::

Put 15 of those fuckers in her head?

::

What are we doing here?

::

I mean, it's kind of like Toy Story,

::

right?

::

Andy isn't really...

::

he's the catalyst for how

::

you get the toys and who has the toys,

::

but he's not the main

::

character to a certain extent.

::

They even do it so much

::

where they give the toys

::

away to the neighbor kid or

::

they pick them up to Bonnie.

::

I think if you have it where

::

you can see either in her head,

::

what I was telling Doug was

::

when he gave the quick review at dinner,

::

it seems like the movie is

::

trying to age with

::

Right.

::

And so it's like the next thing,

::

if you get another stage,

::

is that preteen era?

::

What does that look like

::

when she gets to high

::

schools and start having

::

feelings and like that kind of thing?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

There's so many things you can do with it,

::

I think.

::

Oh, I mean,

::

I think that's definitely a

::

franchise that can grow

::

with with its audience,

::

like how Star Wars and to

::

some extent Marvel has done.

::

Right.

::

Like I think doing a college

::

Riley makes sense.

::

100% sense.

::

I feel like that's an audience for it,

::

right?

::

You'll have an audience for it.

::

And there are a lot of

::

feelings that are coming up

::

in your 20 or like when you're,

::

I don't know,

::

a young adult is maybe the

::

term we'll use.

::

um, that are going to be relatable.

::

And I don't know how it

::

would do as a kid's movie,

::

but I do feel like that's

::

if they do another one,

::

I feel like that's, I mean,

::

they did it with Andy in toy story.

::

They can do it with toy story.

::

They can do it with it.

::

They very much can very, very much can.

::

So, um,

::

Yeah, but that's all I have.

::

But gentlemen,

::

we had our Patty family pick a movie,

::

and they picked 2000's American Psycho.

::

Marcus,

::

do you care to give us a barbershop

::

summary?

::

I can try.

::

Okay.

::

All right.

::

What had happened was... I

::

just watched this movie three hours ago.

::

All right.

::

What had happened was

::

there's a handsome guy, right?

::

And he is very meticulous.

::

He... Say something else.

::

He is...

::

fixated with certain things.

::

And I'm not sure if it's a mental, like a,

::

I'm not sure what it is,

::

if it's just his own

::

fixation or was there

::

something tied to it?

::

Anyway, he has a fixation.

::

He has to do everything's a certain way.

::

He has a certain body wash that he uses.

::

He has a certain regimen that he follows.

::

He says like,

::

there's certain things that

::

he does on a regular basis.

::

He's in this big company,

::

not sure what the company did.

::

It's,

::

Stocks?

::

Not really sure.

::

They never really explained it.

::

It was just a general big company.

::

Oh, yeah, for sure.

::

Yeah, for sure.

::

Right.

::

Like all of them were vice presidents.

::

All of them had the same title.

::

No specific areas.

::

Like when they put their

::

cards on the table, literally.

::

And so there's this guy.

::

He's going around.

::

He's pretending to be

::

something during the day.

::

But at night he has, well, he, you know,

::

not even just at night,

::

he's underlying having these under,

::

he's having these

::

underlying issues or this,

::

he's in this certain mental

::

state or he's having this breakdown.

::

And he's,

::

he talks about this hunger that

::

he can no longer like feed

::

that it's getting worse.

::

And so he's essentially killing people.

::

So he's killing women.

::

He's killing men.

::

He's like, we think.

::

Right.

::

There's goes to this whole

::

movie of like the different

::

ways he kills people or the

::

or the ways he goes about it.

::

He has a porn addiction.

::

He has a sex addiction addiction.

::

He has all of these things

::

that you see in big, greedy,

::

green money world.

::

Right.

::

You have these big wigs that

::

live at the top and they

::

have these vices that they live by.

::

He seems to be struggling

::

with all of the vices that

::

you can think of in the 90s and the 2000s,

::

escorts, drugs, money, greed.

::

He says all of these things

::

that he's kind of fixated with.

::

And he has a type.

::

He's very specific about the

::

women that he murders or

::

the people that he kills or

::

the way that he goes about it.

::

He is also seeking attention.

::

So like he's having this crisis.

::

And it seems like as he's killing people,

::

he also wants the attention

::

for killing the people,

::

maybe a little bit.

::

But like,

::

I'm not really sure what the fuck

::

going on.

::

But that's basically the movie.

::

yeah yeah you nailed it I

::

just realized how ambiguous

::

some of the things in this

::

movie is and I feel like

::

it's on purpose but we can

::

talk about that later it is

::

I mean you're very much

::

correct like there are some

::

it's there are they are

::

leaving the specifics out

::

on purpose yeah the

::

director is definitely

::

leaving that stuff out so

::

um I want to run down cast for you all

::

Um,

::

so Christian Bale plays Patrick Bateman,

::

Justin Theroux plays Timothy Bryce,

::

Josh Lucas plays Craig McDermott.

::

Now I want you all to know

::

that these are very young

::

versions of these three dudes.

::

Like Josh Lucas has been in

::

a ton of stuff.

::

Like Justin Theroux has been

::

in a ton of stuff.

::

Chloe Savigne plays Jean.

::

Reese Witherspoon plays Evelyn Williams.

::

Samantha Mathis is in this as well.

::

She plays Courtney Rolison.

::

Fucking my man Jared Leto is in this.

::

Morbius himself is in this.

::

I could not figure out who he was.

::

He plays Paul Allen.

::

Yep, he plays Paul Allen.

::

And then Willem Dafoe is in this.

::

He plays Donald Kimball.

::

He's the cop.

::

And that's pretty much it.

::

Yeah, those are the big ones.

::

Yeah, those are the big ones.

::

Yeah.

::

I was like,

::

is there anything else I need

::

to know about those?

::

There's a lot of sleepers in this.

::

Yes, very much so.

::

Gentlemen.

::

thoughts on now quick table

::

setter this was picked by

::

the patty family both brian

::

and I have seen this before

::

but marcus this was your

::

first viewing uh american

::

psycho so I'm actually

::

gonna not to put you on the

::

spot or to lead with you

::

but marcus what how did you

::

feel like what was your

::

thought like first impressions

::

I think first impression is

::

I see why this movie did so

::

well or why it's so well received.

::

One, I love Christian Bale.

::

There was two primary

::

thoughts I could think of

::

the entire time I was watching this.

::

I was like,

::

this makes me want to watch Equilibrium.

::

And then the other thought was,

::

I can't believe this is fucking Batman.

::

Those were the only two

::

thoughts that I had.

::

But in a way, it kind of makes sense.

::

Christian Bale is just one of those guys.

::

I think that that's the bottom line.

::

He probably needs more recognition,

::

but I couldn't see anybody

::

else playing this role.

::

So I think, number one, I was like,

::

you had a great selection

::

of a person to play this

::

role and go fucking mad.

::

I see why this was really successful.

::

I have no idea what the

::

accolades were for it,

::

if it won any awards or anything,

::

but it's definitely...

::

like a classic like to me

::

yeah this is this is one of

::

those movies that people

::

who love movies love to

::

have like in their top and

::

for a lot of folks and it's

::

because of some of those

::

things like like what you

::

were saying Marcus the way

::

you outline them of like

::

the ambiguous nature how

::

can it be applied to

::

everything yeah so yeah no

::

I completely agree I'm

::

looking up the awards that maybe it won

::

Well, then I can jump in really quick.

::

I think you should do that.

::

And I watched this in 2005-ish,

::

and I feel like it reached

::

cult status at that point

::

because I don't think it

::

was a commercial success.

::

I'm going to wait for

::

verification on that.

::

And when I was in undergrad,

::

like this was the movie where it was like,

::

oh, you want to see a movie?

::

You watch American Psycho.

::

Like that was just kind of the vibe I had.

::

It was like this.

::

And like, man,

::

there are a few others I'll

::

think about in a second.

::

Yeah, and when I watched it back then,

::

I did not have the critical eye.

::

I do now.

::

I was just like, oh,

::

this guy's killing people.

::

Are you seeing this?

::

That was all I could take in

::

with my tiny 20-year-old brain.

::

I was like, this guy,

::

look how much he's killing them.

::

Your 20-year-old voice is crazy.

::

Brian's also,

::

he doesn't like to talk about this a lot,

::

but he used to be Arnold

::

Schwarzenegger when he was 20 years old.

::

Yeah, I watched the movie.

::

It's crazy.

::

There's all these things.

::

I like to hear.

::

I pumped you up.

::

Anyway, the point being,

::

Marcus is rubbing his face.

::

What is he doing with these

::

two white guys?

::

No, no, no.

::

It's also me.

::

It's me.

::

I'm a part of this.

::

It's me.

::

I'm a part of this.

::

You're a part of this.

::

You're a third responsible.

::

You are one third

::

responsible for that voice.

::

I mean,

::

it does kind of get this inception.

::

I feel like inception

::

executed on this concept of

::

what is actually happening here.

::

Far better,

::

but it feels like American

::

Psycho and Memento put the

::

seeds there to be like, no,

::

what if it was like this?

::

Kind of Fight Club, kind of not.

::

I feel like that movie's overrated.

::

We can have that conversation later,

::

but like

::

Yeah.

::

Oh, I think it's overrated.

::

I think I think a lot of

::

people talk about it like

::

it's this top tier thing.

::

And I feel like it's like a

::

little bit mid range.

::

But in the context of American Psycho,

::

I feel like it is it

::

doesn't hold your hand,

::

which I appreciate,

::

especially at this point.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

So the budget for American

::

Psycho was $7 million estimated.

::

So $7 million back in the day.

::

Gross was $15 million, give or take.

::

Its opening weekend was $4 million.

::

Call it $5 million.

::

It was $4.9 million.

::

And then its worldwide was $34 million.

::

So it wasn't a smash.

::

It didn't blow up,

::

but it made its money back.

::

Somebody got a good bonus.

::

Yeah, and bought a house.

::

Yeah.

::

I guess for me,

::

how do y'all receive this movie?

::

What stands out to you about it?

::

If it's supposed to be a movie's movie,

::

like a movie lover's movie,

::

let's assume it's a top five.

::

What about it stands out?

::

I do feel like there were

::

some things that were missing in this,

::

though.

::

It felt incomprehensible to

::

a certain extent to me.

::

I'll say what I really

::

appreciated is I think this

::

is a great example of...

::

I think this is a great

::

example of acting just

::

because of the wide range

::

of emotions that have to be

::

brought to the character

::

that Christian Bale is

::

playing because he is both,

::

he is both like aware of his own madness,

::

but also simultaneously

::

incredulous to what's happening.

::

Like it's, I know this is in me.

::

I know it's something I'm doing, but,

::

but God damn, I don't know why,

::

but I have to do it.

::

Like it's, it's.

::

And so that as like a

::

character study of someone

::

being able to literally put

::

on that sort of like skin

::

and be that person that, that was, sorry,

::

that was a bad choice.

::

No, no.

::

I mean, it's phonetically correct.

::

But to be, like, but to really, like,

::

jump into that character, that's, I mean,

::

it's impressive.

::

Like, it's really, really impressive.

::

I also think as far as a

::

commentary on 80s Wall Street greed,

::

I think it's pretty interesting, too.

::

Like, just like, to Marcus,

::

you kind of brought it up in your intro,

::

like...

::

do the rich just get away with this?

::

Like with the way, I mean, not,

::

I'm not going to jump to the ending.

::

We're going to save it,

::

but do the rich just get away with it?

::

Does it just go away?

::

Because no one ever suspects

::

that they would be the one to do it.

::

So like, there's that side of it too.

::

So those two pieces for me,

::

make it something that I love to watch.

::

Is this the part where we

::

get into our sing, sing, sing, sing,

::

sing?

::

Or are we like, I'm waiting?

::

I want to say one more thing

::

before we start jumping around the board.

::

That's swords, by the way.

::

Oh, I thought it was swords.

::

Oh, swashbuckling.

::

Yes, on guard.

::

The one thing I think that

::

also makes this a movie

::

movie is that Christian

::

Bale is so flippin' dying.

::

dialed in to this character

::

and I'm not saying it

::

because of the intensity in

::

like that opening montage

::

when he's like exercising

::

in his tighty whities great

::

great piece by the way like

::

you see the intensity of

::

the character however it's

::

the range of it in the

::

singular film you see him go from like

::

confident to fearful to like

::

he is like voracious with

::

hunger to kill someone he's

::

disgusted but he also is

::

happy but he's also bored

::

he like he goes through

::

this entire range like the

::

first murder like he's he's

::

moonwalking but he's like

::

excited to kill this guy but also

::

Huey Lewis and the news is

::

probably their best at like that entire.

::

I mean, right.

::

That's probably the

::

monologue some people did for ages.

::

Right.

::

That entire monologue of

::

talking about Huey Lewis as

::

you're about to kill somebody.

::

It's just the range and he

::

doesn't overdo it.

::

And I know that's like a

::

compliment I give to a lot

::

of folks of projects we

::

watch on this podcast,

::

but I feel like Christian

::

Bale rode that edge.

::

And I feel like it's really

::

hard to do that in a film

::

like this because you

::

picture any other actor

::

doing this and they're going to overdo it,

::

right?

::

Like the movie's called American Psycho.

::

You can picture somebody

::

just taking it way too much and making it

::

not unbelievable,

::

but laughable or not connecting.

::

And I think,

::

I think the one thing I wanted

::

to say before we started

::

swashbuckling was like, I think that's,

::

that's what elevates Christian Bale here.

::

Like,

::

and it's beyond him doing flipping

::

500 sit-ups or whatever to

::

be Patrick. 1,000.

::

Or 1000, right?

::

Like he and he did part of

::

the workout regimen too, by the way,

::

according to the sources on

::

I would believe 100% of that, right?

::

Like, it's not the method.

::

It's it's his portrayal and

::

not going knowing where that edge is.

::

A lot of us don't know where

::

to stop the joke.

::

Christian Bale is so sharp

::

when it comes to movies of like, nope,

::

this is exactly what you

::

need for my performance.

::

And I'm moving on.

::

I'm going to give you

::

exactly what the performance calls for.

::

Nothing more, nothing less.

::

And I think you're right, Brian.

::

I think some folks would

::

lean into the like, yeah,

::

take it there and be depraved.

::

And those moments where

::

they're unhinged would be...

::

almost like either comical

::

where they lose that sense of like,

::

Oh no.

::

Like, Oh yeah.

::

Like, and they would be,

::

it would be too much of a slasher film.

::

And this is,

::

this is booked as a horror movie,

::

like because of what happens.

::

But it's, it's, it would be,

::

it would just be too much.

::

So, and according to collider,

::

they auditioned Brad Pitt,

::

Edward Norton and Leonardo DiCaprio.

::

The Brad Pitt and Edward

::

Norton are not surprising.

::

Leo makes sense too.

::

Those two in particular

::

because Fight Club came out

::

in 1999 and this came out in 2000.

::

They were trying to ride the

::

snake of these two are

::

really hot and popular.

::

They were in a similar vibe of a movie.

::

Down with corporate

::

establishment kind of movie.

::

I feel like Brad Pitt would have

::

overdone it to an incredible

::

extent like I love brad

::

pitt but I don't see the

::

nuance there I couldn't

::

imagine him in this movie

::

right you know what I could

::

if if you had me not not 99

::

2000 brad pitt give me him

::

with a little bit more like

::

um dirt on him a little bit

::

like when he grows a little

::

bit I think once upon a

::

time in the like in

::

hollywood yeah yeah mr and

::

mrs smith even yeah that

::

one is like probably do it

::

Because there's this

::

monotoneness to Patrick

::

Bateman or Christian Bale that is like,

::

this dude feels like a psychopath.

::

Even what I enjoy about this

::

movie is the way he tries to hide it.

::

And it's like you can tell

::

it feels fake by the

::

comments he's making.

::

You know,

::

he's talking with his guys and

::

he's trying to be this what

::

they would call now woke.

::

Right.

::

And it's like, oh, yeah,

::

because when his partners say, oh, yeah,

::

I forgot that Bateman's dating a girl,

::

a chick from ACLU.

::

That's right.

::

Because he says all of these

::

very more liberal

::

statements in these very

::

conservative ways.

::

rich, hoity-toity type rooms.

::

So he's trying to make

::

himself what it felt like to me.

::

He was trying to make

::

himself seem more deep or exciting,

::

even when he was trying to

::

do these monologues about music.

::

And at one point,

::

he does two whole monologues about it.

::

And then the one scene he

::

starts talking about Whitney Houston,

::

the girl's like,

::

you own a fucking Whitney Houston CD?

::

And it seemed like it threw him off.

::

Because it was because he

::

wasn't able to like

::

elaborate himself into the

::

knowledge of like,

::

this is who I am and what I know.

::

It felt like he was trying

::

to fake and put on some type of front.

::

And if that wasn't enough, the killing,

::

you know, they say about murder,

::

like murder is like serial

::

killers want to be found or

::

they kind of want to be

::

known for their thing that they do.

::

They want the fame of it all.

::

Yeah.

::

And so that's kind of what

::

it felt like to me.

::

I would say I think the

::

other thing is that for me,

::

I interpreted that just a

::

smidgen differently,

::

that that's the way in

::

which he lured folks in.

::

So it wasn't that he wanted

::

to necessarily be found.

::

It's just he was always –

::

because he was always

::

trying to find another way

::

to lure someone in to give

::

in to his deepest, darkest desire.

::

Mm-hmm.

::

Can we swashbuckle here?

::

Because I disagree.

::

And so I disagree because

::

there was something about

::

these moments that happened

::

of him in the bathroom with

::

the other guy who thinks he

::

wants to be in a

::

relationship or that

::

they're attracted to each other.

::

Or the moments that they

::

literally put their

::

business cards on the table.

::

Thanks.

::

Swashbuckle alert.

::

Or the moments that they put

::

their business cards on the

::

table and he's able to

::

notice the tiniest hues and being bested.

::

Like, by one each time,

::

and then the last guy

::

brings in another card and

::

it throws him for a fucking loop, right?

::

And so it's like, to me,

::

he feels like he's Mr. Top

::

Shit and has to portray

::

this certain thing.

::

I think that's him

::

legitimately trying to

::

portray this certain thing.

::

And he was willing to kill

::

anybody that... Like,

::

why did he kill Jared Leto?

::

Also,

::

I have an additional comment that I

::

think Jared Leto's method

::

acting may stem from being

::

a fan of Christian Bale.

::

more than likely yes it was

::

like they were at the table

::

and it's like for me I saw

::

these two motherfuckers

::

looking at each other and

::

Jared Leto being like I

::

want to do that so all of

::

this method acting being on

::

set I want to be that when

::

I grow up which is fair

::

like you watch this guy and

::

they have the same

::

mannerisms that same dry

::

like that monotone like if

::

you were to do it today

::

Jared Leto might be the

::

person that you kind of

::

would imagine playing that role

::

If he had better movie

::

selections like previous –

::

if he didn't have like a

::

Morbis under his belt or

::

like – but Dallas Buyers

::

Club is like a good – you

::

know what I mean?

::

That's kind of what I was seeing there.

::

Sorry, I'm rambling,

::

but that's a lot of my thought process.

::

I'm going to parry that agreement.

::

I don't know how to phrase this,

::

so I'm just going to stick

::

with swashbuckling.

::

They're swashbuckling terms.

::

So I'm going to parry that and say –

::

That it's probably actually

::

a combination of both really.

::

And that's not so much a Perry is so much.

::

It is like a kind of

::

bridging the gap because I

::

think you're onto something.

::

I think the idea that I

::

always thought about,

::

at least as far as this

::

movie is concerned and

::

almost the statement that

::

the movie is trying to make

::

is this idea of.

::

Patrick Bateman feels like

::

he has to kill any time he

::

is one-upped or he feels

::

inferior in his job in an

::

effort to claim the power

::

that was taken from him back.

::

I agree.

::

He enacts that on the only

::

group of people that he can,

::

which is people who can see him as –

::

are lower than him in the

::

knowledge that he has in

::

the money that he has in

::

the music he listens to in

::

the car that he drives like

::

all of those things are the

::

things that for him are

::

like he's able to lure that

::

over them before he

::

inevitably okay you know I

::

think we might be saying

::

the same thing I think we

::

accidentally tangled swords

::

there because I that's

::

exactly what I was trying

::

to oh that sounds weird

::

anytime man if I have to

::

tangle him with anybody

::

Honestly, it would be my guy.

::

Tip to screen?

::

What did you say?

::

It said crossing the stream.

::

But what I think the movie's

::

always trying to say is that movie...

::

I was going with a Ghostbusters reference,

::

but I might be more leaning

::

towards Spaceballs.

::

I'm sorry.

::

That's a different podcast.

::

That's a different podcast.

::

Only fans in black and white.

::

Sorry.

::

But I think what it's trying to say,

::

especially with that card scene...

::

this is what happens when we

::

think we're really smart

::

and you meet a smart person

::

it's just meant to be

::

swashbuckling and fencing

::

yes Mason we are only yeah

::

we don't really know what

::

you're talking about we're

::

here for your entertainment

::

Um,

::

but I think because of what they're

::

doing with that,

::

like that card scene and

::

any other time there's that

::

like comparison about jobs

::

or title or who they're dating.

::

So trying to say like,

::

this is phony baloney

::

bullshit that only exists in corporate.

::

So how many other of these

::

folks are being created or

::

how many of these folks have these deep,

::

dark secrets that we don't

::

know about because they're

::

trying to one up Rick who has BS.

::

bone versus the other one.

::

It's the American part of

::

the American cycle.

::

Not so much the cycle,

::

but it's the American part.

::

Doug, to underline your point,

::

you never see Patrick Bateman work.

::

You never see him take a meeting.

::

You never even see him look

::

at a spreadsheet or anything.

::

On top of that,

::

nothing, like, even when he's at home,

::

nothing is, like, geared towards, like,

::

the only thing of self-improvement, right,

::

is his workout regimen.

::

Other than that, he has no hobbies.

::

Which is about the look still.

::

It's only...

::

about this vibe, right?

::

And like, even the music, he's like, oh,

::

you know about this, but I know more.

::

But it's like,

::

do you actually enjoy the music?

::

And they kind of touch on it

::

when he's in the limo with

::

Reese Witherspoon,

::

but it also feels like the

::

only reason he's doing that

::

is so he doesn't have to

::

listen to Reese Witherspoon.

::

100%.

::

Yep.

::

Also,

::

Reese Witherspoon mentions in the

::

limo that

::

He keeps talking about the job.

::

I got to work my way up in the company.

::

She said, your dad owns the company.

::

So basically,

::

you don't have to do anything.

::

Yes!

::

Yes.

::

And I feel like all those

::

things underscore this like

::

American kind of bootstraps

::

paradox thing of just like,

::

I'm Patrick Bateman and I'm

::

better than you.

::

And here's like his fiance being like,

::

your dad owns the company.

::

You're a vice president of

::

what exactly you don't even know.

::

As a viewer,

::

you have no idea what he's

::

vice president of.

::

And by the way,

::

all of his friends also vice president.

::

What the hell do they do?

::

Right.

::

Right?

::

Of nothing.

::

And then even when they ask

::

him about his job,

::

it's not even something he

::

enjoys because they're all like,

::

anyone I know on Murders

::

and Acquisitions hates it.

::

Willem Dafoe walks in the room, right?

::

And Willem Dafoe plays the detective.

::

Right.

::

He walks in to question Bateman.

::

And Bateman pretends to

::

answer the phone and he

::

starts talking about

::

randomly tipping the server.

::

Make sure you tip the server.

::

Make sure you do this.

::

Make sure you get this suit

::

and wear that with this.

::

To almost make it seem like

::

he was doing some, not almost,

::

but to make it seem like he

::

was having a big

::

conversation or to throw

::

off the detective or to

::

seem like some big wig.

::

Not like you weren't just

::

sitting at your fucking desk.

::

Telling your secretary to

::

cancel every other group.

::

No answer, just say no.

::

And Marcus, to your point,

::

Willem Dafoe says back, he goes,

::

you must be very busy.

::

He's always apologizing.

::

He's like, you must be very busy.

::

You must have things that are going on.

::

That sounded like an important call.

::

He's always sort of

::

groveling over this like, oh, please,

::

Mr. Bateman,

::

let me ask you some questions.

::

I'm so sorry to interrupt.

::

When he's investigating a

::

fucking disappearance of a coworker.

::

But it's the power move.

::

Yes.

::

It's exactly what I think

::

all three of us are saying.

::

Yeah.

::

It's the power move of being like,

::

I got to show myself as talking about.

::

Now, a lot of people do this today.

::

This is my soapbox.

::

Yes.

::

The movie pissed me off.

::

No source tangled here at this podcast.

::

We're touching tips at this point, Mason.

::

Yep.

::

Tips of the swords.

::

Tip tip.

::

Yep.

::

Tip tip cheerio.

::

Tip tip cheerio.

::

Oh man,

::

Brian's in my corner sometimes and

::

it's great when he is.

::

Oh,

::

it's so fantastic because it's the one

::

line that always gets you.

::

Tip touch is anonymous.

::

So I feel like

::

I forgot what I was saying.

::

Doesn't matter.

::

No, no, no.

::

I'm going to set you back up

::

because I'm going to agree

::

with you about talking

::

about how people do this today.

::

Oh, thank you.

::

Here's the thing about today.

::

People lead with fluff, okay?

::

People with PhDs,

::

people with high positions,

::

people with high titles.

::

A lot of people in roles

::

that they shouldn't be in.

::

They may be fantastic.

::

I've been trying to do

::

better at separating person from the job,

::

but sometimes it gets very hard.

::

Sometimes you have really

::

nice people in positions

::

that they're not supposed to be in.

::

Or sometimes you have like...

::

really bad positions and

::

good people in them and

::

it's not sustainable.

::

Both things can be true.

::

The bottom line for me is

::

there's a lot of

::

motherfuckers that just

::

talk with fluff like they

::

big and bad and know what

::

the fuck they talking about.

::

And there's so many people

::

that put a lot of extra

::

jargon or I have to catch

::

myself from trying to use

::

big words when I'm really

::

just trying to say fuck off.

::

Like, I don't want to say, like,

::

I don't want to say any of that shit.

::

I just want to say,

::

fuck off and stop getting on my nerves.

::

But there's a lot of people

::

that do that are Bateman.

::

They are Patrick Bateman.

::

They fake that.

::

Maybe not the killing part necessarily,

::

but they will kill or step

::

over anybody to get what

::

the fuck they want and be

::

in positions that they feel

::

like they deserve to be in.

::

The best phrase I ever heard,

::

the best phrase I ever

::

heard is comes from Dr. Peggy Crow.

::

She works at Western Kentucky University,

::

and she said this,

::

and I've never forgotten it.

::

Why are you using a 50 cent

::

word when a nickel word will suffice?

::

Like that shit sticks with

::

me all the time.

::

And you're right, Marcus.

::

It's really easy to get down

::

that road and you say, you know,

::

we've got different like

::

situations when you're like, oh,

::

here's a thing that happened.

::

Mm hmm.

::

Let's be real.

::

Let's be... We don't need to

::

talk about an inflection point.

::

We need to be like, no,

::

that's where we turned it around.

::

You don't need to make this

::

harder than it has to be.

::

That's what the whole part

::

of this movie was for me.

::

One, okay.

::

this is me,

::

the only black guy in this was

::

the one you killed in the alleyway.

::

It was poor Al.

::

And there is nobody,

::

and maybe that's part of the movie,

::

maybe it's because it was

::

the 90s and 2000s and

::

that's kind of what the vibe was on sets.

::

But there is no black person

::

that is in the same caliber

::

or in the same

::

conversations anywhere in

::

the smoking rooms, the gentlemen clubs,

::

the parties, the clubs that they're at.

::

Even when there's an ugly woman,

::

he calls her, you ugly bitch,

::

I want to skin your skin

::

and I want to blah, blah, blah, blah,

::

blah,

::

and I want to make you watch you bleed.

::

He says that to her.

::

He picked them.

::

I think when he picked up the escort,

::

he might've called her.

::

I can't remember.

::

I think,

::

I think the moment you're talking

::

about is like in the first

::

10 minutes of the movie,

::

when they go to the bar and

::

she's annoyed with him for some reason.

::

And he talks about like,

::

I want to play with your blood.

::

And you're like, Oh no.

::

yeah because they are trying

::

to have that like that

::

moment from Fight Club

::

where he's looking in the

::

mirror and saying some

::

things and which is kind of

::

hard to differentiate when

::

you're watching the movie

::

for the first time of like

::

oh okay I see that that's a

::

thing but yeah that's just

::

my whole thing was like if

::

you watch this for the first time

::

there's a lot of Patrick

::

Bateman's in the world.

::

There's a lot of Patrick

::

Bateman's friends in the world.

::

Cause even in the groups that he in,

::

the only thing they give a

::

fuck about is making reservations,

::

talking about talking down on women.

::

Oh,

::

the sexiest thing a woman can do is be so,

::

so much of a freak that she

::

wants to have sex anytime,

::

but also not enough that

::

she's like too sexy for

::

everybody else and knows

::

when to shut her damn mouth.

::

And it was like, Oh,

::

these are normal

::

conversations that happen

::

in these spaces.

::

Wasn't the lady,

::

and maybe I'm misremembering this,

::

but wasn't the lady,

::

so he tries to feed a cat to the ATM,

::

which, by the way,

::

for some reason is my... I

::

thought he put a gun to the cat.

::

He did.

::

He goes to the ATM to get

::

money for escorts, I would assume.

::

And there's a kitten,

::

and he looks up at the ATM,

::

and the ATM says, feed me a stray cat.

::

And so he tries to shove the

::

cat into the ATM.

::

And this woman comes up

::

And I feel like it was a

::

black lady who came up and was like, no,

::

no, no.

::

And he turns around and shoots.

::

No, she was white.

::

No, that was white.

::

She said, no, she said, no,

::

what are you doing?

::

Stop doing that.

::

And he turned around real

::

quick and shot her.

::

And remember when he shoots

::

her without knowing who she

::

is or feeling that sense of like power or,

::

you know, warning over her,

::

he feels guilty.

::

That's what sets him down this,

::

this path of like, I want to get caught.

::

like yeah feed me a straight

::

cat yeah I missed that

::

whole thing oh that was

::

that so this like the okay

::

so I would like us to have

::

a conversation about this

::

sequence because the moment

::

he goes to the ATM and it

::

says feed me a straight cat

::

I was like oh like

::

okay, we're in his world.

::

We're in his vision of seeing stuff.

::

Because there's no ATM that

::

would tell you to feed it a stray cat.

::

Not any that we would go to.

::

And upon reflection,

::

this to me is a moment

::

where you see Bateman break

::

with reality to me.

::

Because it's almost like

::

what he wants to do or what

::

he wanted to do.

::

I don't know of anything

::

that happened between this moment

::

And then when he calls the lawyer,

::

all of that was passing.

::

I don't know if any of that happened.

::

Right.

::

In, in real life.

::

Right.

::

And I remember watching this

::

when I was 20 and thinking

::

all that did happen,

::

but now watching it after

::

being on this pod, I'm like,

::

oh was that was that all in

::

his head that he exploded a

::

police car and killed an

::

officer and killed the same

::

it was like the same

::

reception attendant it's

::

like he does the the movie

::

has you go through the same

::

sequence twice and he

::

shoots one guy but he

::

doesn't shoot the other

::

anyway how did you all feel

::

about that sequence what's

::

your interpretation

::

I think that before that,

::

I want to talk about a

::

little bit before that.

::

Do it.

::

The scene for me that showed

::

that it was real,

::

what was real was him

::

beating on the escorts.

::

And I think, now I could be overthinking,

::

but the two escorts as they're leaving,

::

they have bloody noses,

::

they got bloody faces.

::

I think that that's the

::

worst that he was doing was

::

beating on these escorts.

::

Because if it is a message

::

about these higher big wigs,

::

greedy fuckers that run

::

these companies and stuff like that,

::

and the lower than...

::

Him preying on people that

::

will feel less than in his presence.

::

To me, it was like, oh yeah, he did that.

::

He made the escorts do

::

whatever the fuck he said.

::

Then he beat them, right?

::

As that was the other part of the evening.

::

And then he paid him and

::

then made him leave.

::

Like to me, that was real.

::

But that was the extent of

::

maybe what his madness was

::

actually happening was

::

maybe putting hands on

::

these women outside of the

::

sex addiction and all that other stuff,

::

right?

::

Sure.

::

After I agree,

::

once you hit to feed me a stray cat,

::

that was the sign that this

::

thing is kicking off something crazy.

::

And then once he's off of the phone,

::

I think he had a night

::

where he just lost his shit.

::

Yeah.

::

And it's not real until he

::

gets back to the,

::

I keep calling it a gentleman's club,

::

but like the smokers, wherever they are.

::

An executive's club.

::

Yeah.

::

An executive's club.

::

Thank you.

::

Like that,

::

that was real because that's

::

when he started talking to

::

the lawyer and the lawyer's like,

::

what the fuck are you talking about?

::

Funny joke, Bateman.

::

He said Bateman's a loser.

::

I don't know if it was real

::

that he called Bateman a loser.

::

Am I confused?

::

What was Christian Bale's name in this?

::

No, you're right, Bateman.

::

But it's also confusing

::

because they mistake him

::

for other characters in the film.

::

Once Paul Allen goes missing,

::

they keep getting...

::

They keep getting Paul Allen

::

and Patrick Bateman confused.

::

At one point in time,

::

he sits down for a meal

::

with a woman who thinks he's Paul Allen.

::

Because he's telling them to call him that,

::

right?

::

Right, exactly.

::

So it's very confusing.

::

Because again,

::

Paul Allen is had the better

::

business card.

::

And so that at that point in time,

::

Patrick's like, no, no, no.

::

He's better than me.

::

I'm going to kill him.

::

I'm going to take him.

::

I'm going to take everything.

::

His name.

::

The only thing that has any worth,

::

which is his name,

::

which is is Patrick Bateman,

::

Patrick Bateman,

::

because his lawyer says

::

that's impossible.

::

Patrick Bateman is a loser

::

and he's a or is he talking

::

to Christian Bale?

::

But why would your lawyer

::

call you a loser?

::

Cause you just confessed to having a vice.

::

I don't know.

::

No, but the,

::

but the lawyer said that it

::

wasn't true because I just

::

had dinner with Paul in

::

London two nights ago.

::

So I took that two different ways.

::

And that was the part of the movie,

::

like right before it ended that,

::

that was like the one of the one,

::

two punch of like, Oh, this is cinema.

::

um because it's like you can

::

take it either way right

::

you can take it one way

::

where he's a good lawyer

::

and he's gonna know that if

::

he admits to literally

::

anything that he's saying

::

it's it's odds game over

::

he's guilty right but if he

::

says like no I saw that guy

::

you killed he's alive have

::

a good day like that feels

::

like a lawyer trick to me

::

um like a lawyer jedi mind

::

trick no I saw him I had

::

legalese no no no no I had

::

dinner with him yesterday

::

yeah I have a receipt right

::

and then the other is like

::

bateman literally has no

::

idea what's real and what's

::

not and and paul allen is

::

indeed alive and none of it

::

happened never went back to

::

his place never none of

::

that ever happened he just

::

imagined it after the

::

dinner the best reveal of

::

it was all a dream yes yes

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, I don't know.

::

For me,

::

I feel like it's the lawyer being like,

::

do not confess to a murder

::

in a public place, you bozo.

::

That's what I feel like it is.

::

I think it's the opposite.

::

Really?

::

I think it's playing the

::

other one you said, Brian,

::

where he's like,

::

he can't tell what's real or what isn't.

::

He can't separate the

::

fantasy from the reality.

::

Because your lawyer...

::

calling Patrick Bateman a loser.

::

And then the other part about, um, listen,

::

he, cause he says, listen,

::

you're freaking me out now because,

::

and I don't think that this

::

is funny because I had

::

dinner with him two nights ago in London.

::

I think that was a real statement of like,

::

When he laughed at him on

::

the phone and was like, dog,

::

that's not like,

::

that was fucking hilarious dog.

::

Like, how did you do that?

::

Like,

::

and maybe he did actually call him a

::

loser because he's saying, listen, dog,

::

you would never be able to

::

do no shit like that.

::

Because in reality,

::

not the one you try to put on,

::

you're a loser.

::

Right.

::

You would never be able to

::

do no shit like kill somebody.

::

Like, who do you think you are now?

::

Get your hands off me and

::

I'm walking away.

::

So I think it was the opposite.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Okay.

::

That's fascinating.

::

I feel like, yeah, I mean, Oh, sorry.

::

Cause at the end he says he

::

sits down and he can,

::

he cannot tell the difference.

::

He says, I have this insatiable,

::

there's something that I

::

can't feed or fix.

::

I can't feel anything.

::

I'm losing my grip with humanity.

::

Like I'm using my grip with reality,

::

humanity.

::

I do feel something or I

::

don't feel something, blah, blah, blah,

::

blah, blah.

::

I think that was his reality.

::

Like he could go down that path.

::

this is him pre-snap and

::

then he snaps oh that's

::

fascinating that was just

::

how I read it though I mean

::

then so okay so then are we

::

thinking everything that

::

happened in Paul Allen's

::

apartment the two murders

::

that occur there and

::

basically what he's keeping

::

as is like kill shed did that ever happen

::

It didn't happen because

::

when he walks in the apartment to me,

::

it didn't happen.

::

When he walks in the apartment,

::

the lady says, who are you?

::

He's looking for the two

::

dead bodies that were hung

::

up in the closet.

::

And he's looking at her and he's like,

::

I found this apartment in

::

the Times and she was like, yes,

::

you need to leave.

::

I don't know who you are,

::

but you need to leave.

::

Because I was also wondering,

::

how do you chase somebody

::

down a hallway with a

::

chainsaw and tennis shoes

::

and nobody else in the

::

fucking apartment hears anything?

::

I've always asked that question.

::

i every time I watch that

::

I'm like where does they

::

where do they live I don't

::

think that I think it's in

::

his head so it never

::

actually happened it's a

::

really good case for it

::

because I i so everyone's

::

gonna learn something about

::

me during that sequence it

::

is really intense that he's

::

chasing the the the woman

::

through the hallway

::

And it's really intense.

::

But then I started laughing

::

because he's wearing

::

sneakers with a chainsaw naked.

::

And I'm just like,

::

I probably shouldn't be laughing at this.

::

And that makes me want to laugh more.

::

And then they get to the

::

staircase and they're like,

::

my emotional level goes back down to like,

::

lady...

::

you need to run like like I

::

don't know if you're gonna

::

make it it's a movie right

::

but like I'm running for my

::

life in that situation and

::

then he throws the chainsaw

::

and I'm like what are we

::

doing here like and then it

::

hits her and I did start

::

laughing because I'm like

::

that's so improbable like

::

christian bale just killed

::

this lady on screen and I'm

::

laughing about you you're

::

laughing about it

::

um but it's like it's like

::

it's when this movie kind

::

of toes the line of like

::

that is so sinister and

::

like this is what is this

::

is comedy like this is so

::

improbable how would you

::

even hit someone with a

::

chainsaw 13 floors down

::

there's no way that could happen

::

Unless he thinks he's the most,

::

because this is what I got

::

from the police.

::

He thinks he's the most

::

phenomenal killer and most

::

exquisite killer in the fucking world.

::

Because at some point he's

::

shooting at the cops.

::

He makes the car blow up and

::

looks at his gun like,

::

how the fuck did I do that?

::

And he's got impeccable aim

::

because when the guy comes

::

out of the janitorial,

::

like he comes out of the elevator,

::

he turns around and nails

::

that motherfucker from the

::

door and kills him dead.

::

I said, oh,

::

this guy thinks he is like the

::

most well thought out fucking killer.

::

And I think that's the whole

::

movie is he thinks he's the fucking best.

::

The only time I think it was

::

real that he got close.

::

I'm sorry.

::

But it was like the nail gun

::

with his secretary.

::

I think that that was real.

::

Right.

::

I think that was very, very real.

::

And he didn't pull the trigger.

::

But that would have been the

::

night that he would because he says,

::

I'm afraid that if you stay,

::

I won't be able to control

::

myself and something like

::

I'm going to hurt you.

::

I think that was him almost snapping.

::

That was like him.

::

That would have been his first kill.

::

Yeah.

::

So let me introduce two

::

snafus into this from a

::

Screen Rant article.

::

The first is Mary Herron was

::

the person who directed the movie.

::

Amazing director.

::

This line from screen rant says,

::

while director Mary Herron

::

has adamantly refused that

::

the American psycho ending

::

explained the movie as

::

being all in Patrick's Bateman's head,

::

there's enough ambiguity

::

behind the events of the

::

story to suggest otherwise.

::

So she has never,

::

and she has refused to say, well,

::

all of it was in his head.

::

There's elements that are there.

::

The other theory is that on this one,

::

I liked, and I was kind of curious about,

::

um,

::

Patrick Bateman's killing of

::

Jared Leto's Allen in

::

American Psycho ending

::

explained that it could be

::

real since he ruined the career,

::

livelihood, and life of a rival,

::

and only Bateman's

::

conscience was clear enough

::

to see that this was a

::

monstrous act while

::

everybody else was saying

::

it was just good business.

::

Oh, okay.

::

Got it.

::

Okay, yeah.

::

Maybe that's part of it too.

::

So this is going to be one

::

of those things.

::

It's like Inception.

::

Yes,

::

it's going to be speculated on and

::

explained for a long time.

::

I'll share a link to that.

::

I like the allegory though.

::

Yeah, I do too.

::

I think it's accurate for

::

that world of like it's a

::

dog-eat-dog world and it's just –

::

And I like that even more

::

with the allegory and

::

metaphor of just like the

::

corporate world and like,

::

you have to kill your competition.

::

And like,

::

that's the only way you can-

::

We're the tip of the spear.

::

Right?

::

Or like, we need the boots on the ground,

::

right?

::

Like, it's like,

::

we're not in the military.

::

Like, we're just,

::

we're having a Zoom meeting.

::

Yeah.

::

um and I like that a lot

::

because it's so unnecessary

::

like in so much corpo lingo

::

of just like we need to

::

deploy this and we need to

::

we need to be on the up and

::

up with this no no daylight

::

in between you know like it

::

feels like you're you're a

::

hell diver um you know

::

fighting bugs in that game

::

and it's not um I know that reference

::

yeah like it's just hey hey

::

can you just send an email

::

do we have enough people on

::

the project do you think we

::

can get it done in time

::

like and instead we use all

::

these military terms we use

::

all these like life or

::

death type situations and

::

it's like this movie is

::

just such a good metaphor

::

of just like this is like

::

what you're thinking it is

::

but like literally all these guys do

::

is nothing and they sit

::

around talking about where

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they can get reservations

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and they do nothing they

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contribute nothing they

::

don't provide anything

::

they're just there who is

::

the psycho yeah it's just

::

all of them because they

::

normalize what the fuck was

::

going on I mean pretty much

::

I mean, that's just how my viewpoint was.

::

You got a bunch of rich hoity-toity,

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everything that Brian has said,

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everything that Dougie said.

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Some of it did happen

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because you have to have

::

some of that based in what

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he thinks is the reality.

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I think that the killings

::

are over-exaggerations,

::

but it also is about this

::

insatiable greed

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And this desire for more and

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also this position of power

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to know I can do it and get away with it.

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Because when he stabbed the

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homeless person, he shot the lady.

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He killed all these people.

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He didn't really do any cleaning up.

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He just walked into the other building,

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signed the fucking like the

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sign up thing and just went

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in the elevator and

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everything was fine because he got home.

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Like that's a different

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position of like power to say, well,

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all I got to do is shoot

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everybody who I thought.

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I could see I could see Paul

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Allen being the first and

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only murder that was real,

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but it was the murder that

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convinced him that he could

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get away with it.

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Like if he could kill powerful,

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up and coming future ahead of him,

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Paul Allen.

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then he could kill a couple

::

of like hookers and then he

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could kill a random

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homeless person and get away with it.

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And, and because he's that good.

::

So I could see in some version of this,

::

the explained of like the

::

murder of Paul Allen is real.

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The rest of it is just the

::

depravity and insanity of

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his own mind that he's

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managed to convince himself

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that he could do.

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And that plays out in some

::

sort of fantasy.

::

I can see that too.

::

Yeah.

::

It's a, it's, I think it's a good movie.

::

Like, yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

I also want to say that I

::

feel like a lot of movies that we see,

::

we do critique like, Hey,

::

these sex scenes,

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I don't really know if they're needed.

::

I'm not really sure what they add.

::

But this movie is like the

::

one in recent memory where I'm like, no,

::

you need this and you need

::

to see it because not

::

because of like the depravity,

::

but like it's directly

::

feeding Bateman's character.

::

And I think,

::

and I know this has been

::

commented on before, but I feel like,

::

the thesis of that is when

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Bateman is like only

::

looking at himself during the act.

::

My favorite meme.

::

He's just pointing at himself.

::

He's not looking at the

::

people he's trying to be with.

::

He's only looking at himself.

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That's not normal behavior.

::

Well,

::

sometimes that's why they got glass

::

mirrors on the ceiling in some places.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Yeah.

::

Now I want to Photoshop you

::

with the finger point.

::

Now that's what I... And

::

he's doing... He's flexing.

::

He's got good arms.

::

Man, I just... Anyway.

::

There was a lot of it in this movie.

::

There was a lot.

::

But it all made sense.

::

I will also say tasteful nudity.

::

I think it was like there were sex scenes.

::

You saw them having sex.

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But it wasn't anything like...

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I think the murder scenes

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weren't too gory.

::

The sex scenes weren't too like, oh my God,

::

they're going buck wild.

::

You knew what was happening.

::

It was like a subtle titty

::

every now and then that would pop out.

::

But it was more about the

::

ambiance and the presence

::

that he was creating to set

::

those scenes up that made it feel like,

::

oh,

::

I'm not supposed to enjoy this sex scene.

::

He's doing something to kind

::

of make it feel icky a little bit.

::

Yeah.

::

That, I feel like,

::

is such a strength of this, right?

::

Because it shows, like, as a movie,

::

when that scene starts, he's like, you,

::

start dancing.

::

I'm like,

::

I feel so uncomfortable right now.

::

And you can tell the actress, like,

::

the actresses made it feel uncomfortable,

::

too.

::

What?

::

No, don't read it.

::

Just keep going.

::

We're going to keep going.

::

I can't help but now read it.

::

No, no, just keep going.

::

I'm going to back up my man, Marcus,

::

and we're going to keep going.

::

I'm not going to read it out loud,

::

but I am reading it to myself.

::

anyway I feel like some

::

movies could learn from no

::

it's not all I'm saying so

::

um but yeah I'm glad we

::

re-watched this I have to

::

like this was fun I haven't

::

watched this in a while I

::

haven't watched this in a

::

while I mean this is one of

::

those bedrock movies I feel

::

like because we had this as

::

a quote and I remember I

::

was like I don't remember

::

american psycho to remember

::

this quote so I'm really

::

glad we we did this review

::

it was fun to fun to revisit

::

Gentlemen, anything else?

::

Anything that you all have

::

to plug this week?

::

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::

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::

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::

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::

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::

That's Color Me Confetti on Etsy.

::

Absolutely.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

Make sure you follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble.

::

I'm also going to start

::

throwing another slogan in here.

::

Remember, it's always five or 500,

::

whether you have five people, 15, 50, 500,

::

5 million,

::

they all get the same energy from you.

::

Five or 500.

::

Don't forget to follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble.

::

I've read it to myself.

::

It's also a fair question.

::

I want to plug... Doug the

::

Plug wants to talk about this podcast...

::

Hey,

::

if you enjoyed listening to our take

::

on American Psycho,

::

recommend it to a friend or

::

a family member.

::

Best way to share and to get

::

some growth and to get new

::

listeners is to share it that way.

::

If you're feeling generous,

::

head over to patreon.com

::

slash films in black and

::

white and sign up for one

::

of our tiers there.

::

We are a community-funded podcast,

::

so we greatly appreciate

::

the community that funds us.

::

So here's to looking out.

::

uh gentlemen we have a we

::

have a three-step process

::

to success brian lay us

::

down with that first step

::

hey folks I'm here to tell

::

you to read a book we have

::

a holiday weekend coming up

::

here's what I want you to

::

do I want you to just

::

choose a book that you've

::

been meaning to read and

::

put your phone like five

::

feet away because I know

::

how this goes you're like I

::

got free time I'm gonna

::

read my book and then you

::

start looking at your phone

::

put it five feet away makes

::

a huge difference you'll

::

actually get through that

::

book read a book

::

That second step is, look,

::

drink some water.

::

Hey, look,

::

we all like to party on the 4th of July.

::

But look,

::

all that beer is going to go down

::

and you're going to feel

::

really bloated and gross.

::

So make sure that you have a

::

glass of water or several

::

glasses of water.

::

Stay hydrated.

::

Your body will thank you.

::

Also, drink this.

::

Spoil yourself every now and

::

again to the nice water because, hey,

::

you deserve it.

::

So that's what I got.

::

Drink some water.

::

Marcus, bring us home.

::

You always want to make sure

::

that you wash your ass

::

after you drink your water,

::

after you read a book.

::

You want to make sure you wash your ass.

::

Get into the cracks and crevices.

::

Make sure everybody knows

::

that you are fresh and

::

clean because when you sit down,

::

there's a back draft and

::

you don't want anybody

::

smelling your back draft.

::

Make sure you wash your ass

::

and change your damn towels.

::

If they got bullet holes in them,

::

it's time to change your

::

towels and your loofah.

::

It might be time to change

::

your neighborhood if they

::

have bullet holes in them.

::

That's very true.

::

You might want to find

::

somewhere else to live.

::

Towels are expensive.

::

That does it for this week's

::

episode of Films of Black and White.

::

We'll be back next week with

::

another fantastic episode.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

I really hope we don't get canceled.

::

Probably will.

::

That's okay.

::

Is it okay?

::

Sorry, Brian.

::

Brian didn't say anything.

::

No, but he's one-third,

::

so he's just as complacent.

::

If Marcus is going down,

::

we're all going down.

::

I don't know what the equation is here.

::

I'm not going to rain on

::

your parade if you're having a good time.

::

I don't know how to contribute.

::

Sorry, y'all.

::

It was a bad joke.

::

Shouldn't have said it.

::

That's on me.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

Stop saying that shit.

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