Episode 21

Avengers, Pixar, and Venom: The Last Dance aka "Pixar's Hugabaloo"

Published on: 5th June, 2024

We got a little bit of everything for everyone this week. We talk some Pixar news, comic book reviews, and the new Venom trailer.

But first, Bryan and Doug rundown the way kids books approach historical facts and figures. Marcus surprisingly joins us to talk a little bit about his trip to the South Pacific, before we play Catch That Quotable.

Then Doug review two comic books he read recently, that are very much his and Bryan's thing. Bryan gives us a rundown of what should get the blame for recent Pixar failures. Finally, the trio breaks down the new Venom: The Last Dance trailer.

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Links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__2bjWbetsA

https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/116141/hellverine_2024_1

https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/78374/avengers_twilight_2024_1

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Transcript
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And let's do this one.

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Welcome to Films of Black and White,

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everybody!

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Alright, alright, alright!

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How are you all feeling?

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It is a fantastic Monday to

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be with you all.

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You know, it might feel a little bit weird,

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because Marcus is...

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I think flying.

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He's either flying or recovering.

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I'm not exactly sure.

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I feel like when we talked with him,

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he would have landed in

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South Dakota at this moment.

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That sounds right.

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That sounds right to me.

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But nah, man.

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It's airplane travel.

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Anything can happen.

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Everything's always a half hour wait.

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It's airplane travel and

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he's coming from somewhere

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that is literally five hours behind us.

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Yeah, that too.

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Who knows?

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Who knows when he's getting here?

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But anyway,

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he is taking some much needed

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time off to rest and

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recover and kind of get back into it.

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Looks like he had a baller

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time out there in Hawaii.

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So glad he was able to do that.

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We've got a great show with you all.

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Guys, this is a potpourri.

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Brian, this is a potpourri episode.

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We kind of have a little

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sprinkling of everything.

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So we're going to talk.

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like a little Furiosa stuff.

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We're going to talk a little, uh,

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like Pixar stuff.

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We're going to talk predator.

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I've got some comic book

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things that I want to,

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I want to get into.

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So we just kind of have like

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some miscellaneous shit

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that we're going to get into.

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Uh, but more importantly,

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how are you doing, sir?

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Brian can't stop reading invincible.

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How are you doing?

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I can't.

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I'm feeling I'm feeling good.

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This was like the first day

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of our summer routine here in the.

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Yeah, I love that.

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Last day of school was last

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Friday for two of the kiddos.

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OK,

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so like today was like the first day of

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like, we don't have a school.

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And like as a parent,

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it's like that is four

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commitments I don't have to worry about.

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It's picking you up and

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dropping you off for each kid,

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which is great.

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I don't have to get in the car.

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I don't go anywhere.

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I don't have to wait anywhere.

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That's phenomenal.

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On the flip side, they're here all day.

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And I work from home.

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And my wife does work from home, too.

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But she works the other shift.

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I basically work during the day.

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She works in the night.

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And...

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Essentially,

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that's a different rhythm that

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we are getting used to.

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There's a minor adjustment

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period happening right now for summer.

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Also, as an adult,

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summer is a different energy.

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It zaps me more.

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You're outside more.

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You feel that heat.

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It takes a little bit more

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energy to do stuff outside.

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It's so nice out.

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So it's like this weird

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cyclical thing that keeps happening.

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So what about you, Doug?

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How are you?

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Doing good.

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Came off.

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I get this, Brian.

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So we've been out of school

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for two weeks now.

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Oh, you've been out for two weeks?

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Yeah.

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South Dakota's a different animal.

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And so we've been... So the

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first week Harrison worked

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was at home with me because

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he didn't have a daycare option.

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Oh, wow.

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So dude, I get it.

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Like you're trying to work from home,

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but also there's somebody

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here that's like, hey,

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I have a question about...

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I don't know,

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everything in the world right now.

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And you're like, oh, can you just not?

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Like,

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can you wait for me to finish what

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I'm doing?

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So I get that.

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This last week on Tuesday,

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I went up to Minneapolis

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and I worked remotely from up there.

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Let Harrison and Harper get

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some time with my parents.

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We got to see the grandparents,

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which was really great.

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And Harrison got I took

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Harrison to his first major

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league soccer game.

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And I want to talk briefly about that.

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I see the Loon hat.

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I see the Loon hat.

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Okay.

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So we went and did that.

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Brian, this was an incredible experience.

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Tell me everything.

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So if you all have not gone

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to a Major League Soccer game, first off,

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go.

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Because the tickets are nothing.

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So we got tickets that were

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in the front row, on the sideline.

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And if this were a football game,

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I would have paid...

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$300 a piece.

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Minimum.

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And that's like a non-division rival.

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That might even be pre-season prices.

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Right.

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Brent, I paid $36 per ticket.

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Per ticket?

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That's not bad at all.

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And so we were right there.

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And so I went...

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I went all out and Harrison

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got himself a little jersey.

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We got him like a jersey.

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And when those players ran

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out and they were wearing

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the same jersey that he was,

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he looked at me and he went,

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they're wearing the same jersey.

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And I went, yep, they are, buddy.

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That's what they wear.

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And then when the mascot was

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wearing the same thing, he was like, dad,

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the loons wearing the same thing I am.

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And so it was just really,

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really cool to see.

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The other thing is that

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Harrison's at this age,

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and I don't know how Liam is, Brian.

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And I am so sorry, Brian.

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I get all of your kids' names.

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Who's the oldest?

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Liam is the oldest?

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Perfect.

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That's who I was trying to talk about.

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You nailed it.

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I nailed it.

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So Liam, I don't know how he is,

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but as Harrison's vocabulary has grown,

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I'm routinely surprised

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when he uses a word correctly.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, oh, no, yeah.

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Yep.

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He was saying to me on the

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drive back to my parents' place,

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he was like, dad,

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some of those were some phenomenal goals.

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I was like, who the fuck are you?

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It was just incredible to

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use the usage of the word

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that was correct.

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It blew me away.

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He had a great time.

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He told me when we got back, he was like,

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can we watch them on TV, too?

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I was like, yeah, we can.

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He's pretty jazzed about it.

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That's so cool to hear that

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he had such a good time.

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Yes.

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That, that is,

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that's going to be like a

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core memory for him.

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It really is.

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And I'm in a core memory for me too.

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Cause this is the first time

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that like he and I,

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cause like I like baseball,

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but this is like,

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this is different because he and I were,

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I had just gotten done

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coaching him for his like soccer season.

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So this was like a perfect

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like transition for us.

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The other thing, Brian is,

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is my son has started reading.

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okay yes and like reading

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kind of starts trying to

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read on his own and there's

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a series of books that I

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shared with you all in the

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chat that I want to talk at

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length about okay okay a

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series called I survived um

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I think I know where this is going.

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Okay.

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Brian,

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these are the most insane series of

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books I've ever heard.

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Because on the one hand,

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there's some pretty cool like titles.

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I survived an earthquake.

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Yes.

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I survived a shark attack.

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All relevant, right?

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Like all like, yep.

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Okay.

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That's something you would survive.

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But then there's like these

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four or five of them where you're like,

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what are you doing to me, books?

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Like,

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what are you... I survived the D-Day

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invasion of 1944.

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I survived September 11th.

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Brian, these are book titles.

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Yeah.

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And so...

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right now because he was so

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jacked about it one of the

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things that we did is we

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went to my parents live in

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the Bryn Mawr neighborhood

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in Minneapolis and they

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just got a bookstore that

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used to be a house that

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somebody turned into like a

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locally owned and operated

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bookshop which is really

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cool and he found one of

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these books here and of

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course they're like

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scholactic books so they

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were like five cents and I

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was like if he wants to

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read it that's fine I'm

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and so and so but he the one

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he picked out was the I

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survived the d-day invasion

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one well and I started

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leafing through it and I

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was like what the fuck is

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going on here like

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So, Brian,

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I last night had to explain to

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my son who the Nazis were

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because he kept seeing the

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word over and over and over

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again and didn't know what it was.

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And I'm not saying it's

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unreasonable for him not to

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know what it is.

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He's seven.

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Ostensibly, no one's taught him this,

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as well they maybe

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shouldn't have at age seven.

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It's tough.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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So it's just I want to I

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don't know who thought it

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would be a great idea to say like,

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because they're not reading about adults.

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They're reading about other kids.

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Yeah,

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this is like a kid that survived the

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D-Day invasion.

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Right.

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Oh, it's just right.

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It's a little bonkers to me.

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And that's all I wanted to say.

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no I think I well welcome to

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dad chat um no I do feel

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like dad's black and white

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or just white this thing

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happened uh what am I

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trying to say I feel like I

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didn't learn about any of

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that stuff until I was in

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like middle school and I

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didn't they my education

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didn't necessarily be like

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These were the Nazis.

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These were the bad guys.

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And this is all the bad stuff they did.

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It was like talked around it.

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So like learned about Anne

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Frank and they're like, Hey,

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Anne Frank had to go hide.

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And you're like, wow, that sucks.

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Why'd she have to hide?

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Exactly.

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It was like, why, why were they hiding?

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Who were they hiding from?

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Why'd she have to hide?

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And like, they were like, well,

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cause she's Jewish.

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I'm in middle school.

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I don't know what that means.

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Right.

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Like, um, so basically they are, uh,

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I feel like this stuff is

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happening earlier,

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and I do feel like it's a good thing,

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but as a parent, you're like,

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I didn't have these

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conversations until I was a preteen.

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With Liam,

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I had a very similar experience

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when we watched Captain America,

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First Avenger, and he was like, well,

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who are those guys?

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And I'm like, well, those are the Nazis.

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And he's like, oh, are they bad?

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And I was like,

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Yep, they're bad.

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They sure are.

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We had a whole war about it.

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He's like, really?

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I'm like, the whole world was involved.

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Like, it was bad news.

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Brian,

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I explained to Harrison who Adolf

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Hitler was.

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And my son, blessed his heart, was like,

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well, I mean, I don't think he, like,

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Cause it's terrible.

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Like when you're like,

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he did terrible things.

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His knee jerk reaction was like, well,

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I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose.

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And I was like, no, no, no.

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He did it.

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He did it.

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This was on purpose.

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And then bless Harrison's heart goes, well,

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I'm sure all the people who helped him,

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I'm sure there were some

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people who didn't want to.

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And I was like, fuck.

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Yeah, you're right.

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There probably were some

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people who really didn't want to like,

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yeah, I don't.

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Anyway, to your book, I was just like,

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son of a bitch.

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I mean, right?

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Because we're trying to

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raise these kids to be like, hey,

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give people the benefit of the doubt.

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That person didn't mean to hit you.

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And then you're talking

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about one of the worst people in history.

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No, this person, straight up bad.

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Awful, evil, don't even...

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Don't even worry about it.

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Enjoy their faith in humanity at seven.

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Like you want to be like, yep,

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there probably were some

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who really didn't want to,

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but didn't have any other choice.

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Yep.

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Their upbringing is just

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full of all these

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contradictory statements

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and stories of like, Hey, I want to,

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I want to, you know, do the right thing.

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I'm going to do the right thing.

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No, no, no.

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Not with this person.

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so you know wow but yeah I

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remember seeing those books

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because I think my nieces

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and nephew were reading

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those at some point and I

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like I was around them and

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it was like I survived this

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terrible thing and I was like kids are

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reading these and then I

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thought about my own

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upbringing and I was

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reading like these horror

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short story horror stories

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like goosebumps yes you

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know goosebumps are like

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the the story of the doll

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that came to life and then

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attempted to kill the whole

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family like yep stay cheese

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and die there's a camera

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and it kills people I was

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like this is fine

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Yep, no worries.

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Oh, and by the way,

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I'm just going to take pictures.

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And now we have cameras in our pockets.

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This is not dad chat, so let's pivot.

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Let's pivot into what we all came here for,

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which is movies.

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We do have a quote this week.

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We have a fill that quote.

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So without further ado, here goes...

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What are you doing here?

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We have Marcus.

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I love you so much.

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Joining us from Oahu with love.

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What time do you think it is?

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My body is on three different time zones.

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We left Hawaii.

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Our flight was at 1.

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No, our flight was at 3 p.m.

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And landed in Minneapolis at 5 a.m.

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Sir.

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Sir.

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I was just sitting on the

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couch and I was like, you know what?

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I miss my guys.

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And then I've looked at the

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Harrison and all the kids,

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the Brian and Dougson.

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And I was like, I'm just sitting here.

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I could just sit here and just listen.

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Well, well, Marcus from Oahu with love.

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How are you, sir?

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I'm good, man.

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I'm good.

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I miss I miss y'all.

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I miss y'all.

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Welcome back from paradise.

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How was the ocean?

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It was salty.

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My cholesterol was high by

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the time I got done choking.

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I know, yeah.

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My doctor was like,

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what the hell was you eating?

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55 french fries, 55 shakes, 55 burgers.

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55 burgers, 55 taters.

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I was eating all of it.

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It was beautiful, man.

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The water, everything was beautiful.

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Everything was just, it connects.

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The conference was great.

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The environment, the people were great.

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Content was great.

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My favorite comment,

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my favorite comment from the video.

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So Marcus,

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if you're not following Marcus on socials,

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follow him on socials.

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He posted this video of him

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in the ocean and I was like,

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that's like the best part of being there,

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right?

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But then he

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turns the camera around and

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this wave just takes his

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ass out and here's my

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favorite comment was the

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board of regents sent that

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wave to say no while you

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were there it was my I

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laughed out loud at length

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Listen, Matt, my boy,

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Matty said that said they

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said that wave to take me out.

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And I believe it, man.

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Oh, yeah.

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The funniest.

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I don't want to take.

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I don't know where everybody was.

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Go.

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The funniest part of that

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part of the trip was like, OK,

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black people and large

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bodies of water just ain't just like,

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you know, I mean,

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I don't think I don't think

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there's just that

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connection there that we

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just don't click like that.

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it right so I was I'm in the

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water but saeed's trying to

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get me to go further like

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for like way way out in the

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water and john and megan

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are just like swimming

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their asses off they are

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like way out there with the

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little tour boats that like

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can take you all the way

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out there right so I'm in

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my little area but the

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first time you go out there

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it's not like a little wave

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pool this is the pacific ocean

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So I'm like,

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I'm trying to stand up on

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where the sand is to collect myself.

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Because then I realized, okay,

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I went out there with my phone.

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My dumb ass realizes, okay, Marcus,

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you need two hands to swim

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and survive in the Pacific Ocean.

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This is an influencer time.

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You can't just be fucking around.

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Shout out to the waterproof

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case I got from Amazon for like $18.

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Excellent.

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Yeah.

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So take it back to the thing.

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People are laughing at me like, yeah,

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put that phone down.

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You are crazy.

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You are crazy, dude.

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Put the phone down.

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I'll put the phone down.

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When I try to go back to the water,

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I lie to y'all not.

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It knocked me on my ass.

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Every time I tried to stand up,

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I was like a turtle on its back.

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It just kept spinning my

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dumb ass on the sand.

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And I just couldn't stand up

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and collect my feet.

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But you know what?

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I was like,

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the only thought I had was like, man,

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listen, if this is the way I go,

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Like, that's not a bad way to go.

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I mean,

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a belly full of fresh seafood and

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being killed by an ocean on

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a beautiful beach, that's fine.

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There are worse ways to go.

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Before I knew it, I was like, well,

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I guess I'm going to die

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around some fine women.

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And all the girls are like, oh, stop.

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Oh, my God.

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So, you know,

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I was... I would pay money to

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see the video of it spending you around.

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My God.

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I felt like I was breakdancing on that day,

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I'm saying.

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I do want to see that.

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I would laugh at first.

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Yeah, I would want to see it.

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I would too.

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Well, I mean,

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shall we get into Catch That Quotable?

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I guess.

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You were right on time.

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You heard Catch That

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Quotable and you're like,

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I feel like singing and I

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don't really know why.

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We'll play a little game we

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like to call Catch That Quotable.

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Catch That Quotable

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silky sounds of hawaiian

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marcus um gentlemen are you

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ready so this is a failure

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quotable um I am going to

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read uh the quote um with

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I'll do it with words

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removed so I'll say blank

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uh for that one and then

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we'll just kind of we'll

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kind of go from there so um

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So here we go.

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Blank.

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Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

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Are you ready?

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No, no, Brian.

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This is important.

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It's important we do it right.

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Are you all ready?

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Hit me.

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Hit me.

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So here we go.

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Blank population.

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You, bro.

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Pepper Brooks.

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Blank population.

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You, bro.

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No idea.

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That blank could be anything.

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The first blank could be anything.

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The other two are far too easy.

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I'll give them to you so you

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can read them because he

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gave us three of them,

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and I'll read all three,

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but you're going to get the first two,

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and the third one we're not going to get.

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So blank you, Chuck Norris, White Goodman.

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So it's from Dodgeball.

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I mean, I know that.

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That's thank you, Chuck Norris.

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No, no, no.

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It's fuck you, Chuck.

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It's fuck you, Chuck Norris.

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Oh, is it really?

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Is it really?

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Oh, my gosh.

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I need to watch that movie again.

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Yeah.

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Is it Painville or is it

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like it's like Loserville?

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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Is it Ouch Town?

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Population Ubro?

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That sounds corny enough

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that that might be it.

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I'm willing to go with that.

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Yeah.

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So these are all from Dodgeball.

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So the second one is,

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no blank makes me bleed my own blood.

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No one makes me bleed my own blood.

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I swear I said that on this podcast.

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yeah ouch town sushi special

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admiral akbar roll with eel

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sauce in the chat that's a

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that's a name roman but

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also yeah okay there there

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is someone that says thank

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you chuck norris I swear in

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that movie but maybe not

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maybe they dropped the f-bomb

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I got to go back and watch it, okay?

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It's been a minute since I've watched it.

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It's either thank you, Chuck Norris,

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or fuck you, Chuck Norris,

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in any context.

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It's never an in-between.

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I got an ellipsis.

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I think I got to run.

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So I think it's Ouch Town, Population U,

::

bro.

::

That's what I think it is.

::

All right.

::

I'm going to go with that.

::

Yeah, for sure.

::

Yeah.

::

All right.

::

Here we go.

::

Sweet.

::

And drumroll, please.

::

And here we are.

::

Yep, ouch town, population you, bro.

::

Look at you, dog.

::

Now, technically,

::

I didn't get all of it

::

because the quote is, ooh, ouch town,

::

population you, bro.

::

But I'm not going to count the ooh.

::

I'm not going to count the ooh.

::

yeah well there we go we got

::

all three so is that per is

::

that a donate is that one I

::

think it's one guess you

::

lost yeah hey fuck me right

::

like I guess I guess I did

::

that's funny yeah I don't

::

know we'll defer to Roman

::

on that one that's fine that's fine

::

yeah before we get into some

::

of the movie news

::

specifically brian I want

::

to hear your pixar story I

::

want to let you all know

::

about two comic books I

::

read recently one is very

::

much my shit and the second

::

one is very much brian's

::

shit and that's why I

::

wanted to bring it up so

::

I'm gonna do mine first

::

because it's really easy

::

here's what it is um

::

there's a new ghost writer

::

comic book out there but

::

the ghost writer comic is

::

not with ghost writer it's

::

wolverine becomes ghost

::

writer and it's literally

::

called hellverine that is

::

the name yeah so yeah I saw

::

the title and I was like

::

well I guess I have to get

::

that right like yeah I was

::

looking around there was

::

nobody else in the store

::

and I said it out loud to

::

myself I was like well my

::

hands are kind of tied here like

::

So you have to.

::

The general story is that

::

someone tries to use

::

hellfire to bring back

::

soldiers so the soldiers

::

can be used for the

::

military to go out and do

::

special operations because, of course,

::

they would.

::

Well, that sounds about right.

::

But one of Mephisto takes

::

the spirit of the Ghost

::

Rider away from Johnny

::

Blaze and gives it to Wolverine.

::

Well,

::

it comes out over the course that you

::

find out that it's not

::

actually Wolverine.

::

It's Wolverine's son, Dokken,

::

who now has that.

::

And so Wolverine's being

::

recruited to go and figure out Wolverine.

::

Like what's going on and why

::

his son is a alive and be how he's now.

::

And then imbued with the

::

power of the ghostwriter.

::

Excellent.

::

Okay.

::

I mean, I mean, yeah, you got me.

::

Yeah.

::

The other story, and Brian,

::

this one is very much for you.

::

I started reading this new

::

Avengers run called Avengers Twilight.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Have you read any of this at all?

::

I haven't, but I've heard a lot about it.

::

Doug,

::

you'll have to link these comics in

::

the description.

::

I will.

::

Yes, I absolutely will.

::

Avengers Twilight...

::

is set in like a future

::

world where all your

::

superheroes are old

::

excellent and where all of

::

your superheroes are old

::

Steve Rogers doesn't have

::

the super soldier serum

::

anymore so he's really just

::

an old white guy he's

::

struggling with this

::

identity of like he used to

::

be a symbol that stood for

::

something the America that

::

he stood up for has gone

::

away and has been around

::

That's a lot more of an

::

authoritarian government,

::

so there's curfews that

::

they're enforcing.

::

Also, they didn't get into that,

::

but he does have a Hispanic

::

lover whose name is Rosa,

::

who I don't know.

::

Excellent.

::

We love that.

::

At first,

::

you're not sure if it's his caretaker,

::

but then you're like, oh, no, no, no, no,

::

no.

::

You're just reading it like this.

::

Nope, that's it.

::

But...

::

But anyway, so in the first few pages,

::

they meet in a park,

::

and old Matt Murdock and

::

old Luke Cage and old

::

Captain America are all

::

having a conversation.

::

And the government has been

::

given suits by – so the

::

person in charge of Stark

::

Industries is Tony Stark and –

::

Janet Van Dyne's son because

::

they're married.

::

And this is all like, I'm old.

::

What do I do?

::

Standing up to fascism.

::

I'm no longer in the prime of my days.

::

And the first issue finishes

::

off with Luke Cage convinces him to say,

::

no,

::

we need someone who can stand up and

::

be a symbol again.

::

And the only person I can think of

::

is captain america and so

::

they give him the super

::

soldier serum again and so

::

he comes back and that's

::

how it finishes but as I

::

was reading this I was like

::

these are all fucking brian

::

roush themes like these are

::

all like standing up to

::

fascism yes you're a little

::

bit older I mean we know

::

you're in middle age brian

::

so hey I am like firmly in middle age

::

being older,

::

dealing with what you once

::

were versus what you are now.

::

Oh yeah.

::

It was just like,

::

I read this whole thing and

::

I'll link them in the show notes,

::

but it was like,

::

this was just absolutely spectacular.

::

Oh man.

::

I love that.

::

Yeah.

::

But Brian,

::

you wanted to chat a little bit

::

about Pixar and get into some story time.

::

So Brian, take it away.

::

Welcome to this, our news episode,

::

our potpourri.

::

We're going to be doing a

::

little bit of everything.

::

And one thing that I wanted

::

to bring to our audience,

::

to our listeners, to our co-hosts.

::

We did a bit like this

::

earlier last year when we

::

broke down Chapix.

::

Essentially like...

::

his time at Disney and how awful it was.

::

And we kind of did like a

::

mini story time to break down this giant,

::

like the toilet episode.

::

You didn't have a nice toilet episode.

::

that'll definitely make them

::

go back and watch yeah uh

::

that's when we learned bob

::

eiger lives for those two

::

shower days and we had to

::

figure out if we had a bob

::

eiger bathroom like what

::

would our bob eiger

::

bathroom be um he touches

::

himself to himself probably

::

maybe I don't know uh

::

chapik didn't get that

::

shower office it'll hunt

::

for the rest of his life

::

I'm sure um but uh

::

Bloomberg had a piece that

::

is very intentionally

::

talking to the heads of Pixar,

::

like their leadership team.

::

And it is very much like,

::

I'm going to say it's part

::

puff piece and part like

::

analysis of why the Pixar

::

movies haven't been doing well,

::

but it leaves out a lot.

::

So I'm just going to hit you

::

with some highlights here, please.

::

This piece, it came out Thursday,

::

no Friday.

::

Yeah.

::

No, Thursday,

::

May 30th is when it came out.

::

I didn't have a chance to

::

read it because it's like a

::

12-minute read.

::

There's a lot of details in here.

::

But essentially, it talks about,

::

they were like, hey, ever since 2020,

::

Pixar's been struggling.

::

They don't really put this in context,

::

but it's like financially, basically.

::

And they put up this giant

::

graph I'm going to show you here.

::

And I'm going to present it.

::

Real quick here.

::

Brian is sharing a graph here shortly.

::

We will link the article in

::

the show notes so you can

::

see it yourself.

::

But he is sharing that with

::

us here post-haste.

::

So here it comes.

::

Post-haste.

::

So for some reason, thank you.

::

My privileges are not working.

::

I'll have to re-log into StreamYard.

::

That's a story for another day.

::

Anyway,

::

I'm going to blow this up real quick.

::

Get it together, StreamYard.

::

I know.

::

I had to reset my browser,

::

clear all my cookies, lost all my logins.

::

It's been a whole lot.

::

Anyway.

::

um basically we come to this

::

point where like they had

::

toy story 4 which had made

::

a billion dollars with a b

::

so they're oh my god uh

::

just to like put it into

::

context they did finding

::

dory in 2016 cars 3 coco

::

incredibles 2 toy story 4

::

all bangers like the three

::

of those five movies I

::

listed made a billion

::

dollars so everything

::

except for cars 3 and coco

::

We then get to Onward, like 2020 strikes.

::

Weirdly,

::

they don't talk about Onward in

::

this article a lot,

::

but where they lay a lot of blame is Soul,

::

Luca, Turning Red, and Lightyear.

::

And they talk about these

::

four movies as like...

::

these pariahs they also

::

bring up elemental and how

::

they were like hey you know

::

elemental uh it wasn't a it

::

wasn't a good thing for us

::

and like basically they're

::

talking around all these

::

movies and like well they

::

didn't really perform well

::

They get into how Pixar's cut 175 jobs.

::

They've been restructuring.

::

Basically,

::

the thing that really stood out to me,

::

Pixar the studio has not

::

turned out a profit since 2022.

::

Which is two years ago.

::

Pixar, the studio,

::

has not turned out a profit.

::

Yep.

::

Let me get this right.

::

It's Disney's movie studio.

::

I take it back.

::

Disney as a whole hasn't

::

turned out a profit since 2002.

::

um and they disney blames

::

this on light year and

::

elemental oh that's a bold

::

choice right like you're

::

like you're gonna blame

::

light year and element yes

::

okay uh-huh okay it did

::

It took a while to warm up,

::

but it definitely did.

::

And that's the other thing.

::

This article only mentions

::

it for a sentence.

::

They're like, actually,

::

Elemental went on to have

::

some good tale to it,

::

I think is what they call it.

::

But it was like,

::

it had a terrible opening.

::

I don't like that at all.

::

No, but Elemental made $500 million.

::

It was a success.

::

According to your graph,

::

it did better than The Good Dinosaur.

::

There was another one in

::

there that it did better than.

::

That was right before it

::

went on that hit parade.

::

Pretty much.

::

That's also not good, Teo.

::

That's just great ass.

::

That should be our term here

::

for our movie analysis.

::

This movie's got it.

::

great ass that movie's got a

::

great ass and it's got its

::

head all the way up yeah

::

exactly uh but yeah like

::

elemental ended up doing

::

incredibly well but they're

::

like not so much no no no

::

so like the the pixar

::

people are like interviewed

::

for this article they're

::

like that didn't do well

::

for us um and so it goes on

::

to say that uh elio elio I

::

think I'm saying this right

::

was going to be their next

::

movie which is about a

::

young kid who becomes the

::

ambassador of earth and

::

unexpectedly.

::

But when the strikes happened,

::

all the work stopped,

::

and when they came back,

::

the movie that was farther

::

along to get out was Inside Out 2.

::

So that changed,

::

and they are now banking

::

this whole new redirect,

::

this entire new strategy of

::

not doing these more

::

original premise movies and

::

doing sequels and they're

::

going to start out with

::

like inside out too so doug

::

legion of loons I see your

::

hand um really quick brian

::

and anywhere in this

::

article does it mention the

::

I don't know once in a

::

lifetime global pandemic

::

that we were all living

::

through for three of these

::

movies that came out good

::

boy good boy good boy

::

bizarre how they don't

::

mention it okay cool so

::

like one of the things

::

about it is like they talk

::

about how they they

::

directly talk about on the

::

article like pixar movies

::

started going straight to

::

disney plus which was a

::

decision from chapik of how

::

they wanted to distribute

::

movies pixar no longer got

::

a say and if something was

::

a theatrical movie or a disney plus movie

::

But like they kind of dance

::

around the fact that like, yeah,

::

nobody went to the movie

::

theaters like for 2020 and 2021.

::

So, yeah, yeah, of course,

::

it's going to impact your

::

bottom line and your profits.

::

But like they keep focusing

::

on the movies themselves,

::

which I don't really think

::

are the problem,

::

which really leads me to

::

like the money quote that I feel like.

::

is one of the bigger problems here,

::

which is in it,

::

it kind of weaves its way

::

through the whole piece and

::

I'm going to find it here.

::

Um,

::

If you'll bear with me a moment.

::

Bear on.

::

So basically they talked to

::

the leadership team and

::

Morris is one of the Pixar

::

in the leadership team.

::

So their strategy now

::

basically totally revolves

::

around original movies,

::

movie ideas with sequels

::

and spinoffs to like remind

::

the audience of the Pixar magic.

::

So every hit that they've

::

done is now being

::

considered for a reboot or a sequel.

::

And one of the things that

::

they're saying is like, hey,

::

we don't want to focus on

::

the catharsis of people's

::

personal stories or people

::

who who wrote these and directed these.

::

We want to focus on a broader demographic.

::

So we want to make them not good.

::

yeah um yeah yeah yeah you

::

want to you want to take

::

the reason why they're

::

enjoyable to watch and we

::

want to remove that element

::

the direct quote here from

::

bloomberg it from uh doctor

::

I think is how we pronounce

::

it and I i I think he's the

::

chief creative officer here

::

he's like the studio's

::

movies should be less of a

::

pursuit of any director's

::

catharsis and instead speak

::

to the commonality of experience

::

And I just like, Oh,

::

I know what that means.

::

Exactly what that means.

::

Yep.

::

There it is.

::

And then you look back at

::

the movies that they're like, Oh,

::

we're not,

::

we're not super like excited

::

about the movie about a woman growing up.

::

We're not excited about that.

::

the black man who died and

::

needed to come back for

::

music we're not excited

::

about the two different

::

elements that have a love

::

story but come from

::

different sides of the

::

tracks culture to cultural

::

to cultural reference yeah

::

I know what that means you

::

know exactly what it means

::

it's just like oh no we're

::

not gonna do that I wish we

::

had a dog's I wish we had a

::

dog's barking sound effect

::

yes I wish I would like

::

every time there was one

::

every time that there was

::

one whistled we could just be like

::

like we could just like yeah

::

get it and the wild part is

::

like I guess light year was

::

a really big piece of this

::

foundation of this shift

::

because like they were like

::

oh this is a sequel this is

::

toy story you don't cool

::

story and like it just

::

didn't and it didn't

::

perform well for them well

::

you know why that is brian

::

They had that goddamn

::

general who had a wife when

::

she was a woman,

::

and there were so many

::

things wrong with that,

::

and that was clearly

::

someone's woke agenda.

::

I'm paraphrasing and being... No,

::

that's pretty much it.

::

And so, like,

::

when they did these... So they did, like,

::

all these post-mortems, I guess,

::

in the Pixar studio.

::

Yeah.

::

There it is.

::

Yep, that's who this is.

::

Thank you.

::

Thank you.

::

That's it.

::

Instead,

::

speak to a commonality of experience.

::

That's like the worst.

::

I hate this.

::

Just say you don't want the woke shit.

::

We don't like the diversity

::

of ideas and thoughts.

::

To be honest, just say go woke, go broke.

::

At least I get where

::

you're... You know what I mean?

::

At least I know what you stand for.

::

But you know if you say that

::

to the Disney audience,

::

that they are going to

::

disagree with you because

::

that's the exact reason why

::

people fall for these stories.

::

There's a story for everyone.

::

Well,

::

and the wild thing about it is

::

they're like,

::

this article is basically being like,

::

Inside Out 2 is next.

::

Will they be able to do it?

::

And it's like,

::

Inside Out is like the

::

antithesis of this idea

::

because Inside Out is about

::

a teenage girl with her emotions and

::

I am not a teenage girl with emotions,

::

but I could relate to what

::

Riley was going through.

::

I could relate to that human condition.

::

I can relate to struggling

::

with your feelings and what

::

you want to feel or what

::

you don't want to feel.

::

Hold the phone.

::

Brian,

::

you have emotions that you can

::

relate to that all people have?

::

Yeah.

::

I also have anger.

::

I don't know if people notice.

::

Sounds like leftist bullshit to me.

::

Talking about your feelings.

::

You know what?

::

That's how we get to the

::

wussification of males in this society.

::

You know what?

::

There's just two emotions.

::

Beer drinking and getting in jail.

::

And guns.

::

Because they always slide in guns.

::

Can I push back on the...

::

one of the movie inside out

::

I do feel like inside out

::

is a little bit more broad

::

right because it is yeah it

::

doesn't necessarily focus

::

on the young lady as from

::

what I can remember from

::

the first movie it doesn't

::

really focus on her as her

::

character she's just the

::

kind of vehicle for these

::

generalistic characters

::

that kind of sell toys and

::

sell like those

::

Oh, funky emojis,

::

emoticon type characters.

::

There's like, oh, rage is red.

::

And this is that.

::

That's how I view it.

::

Now, when I look at a movie like Soul,

::

Soul is very specific to

::

this man's experience as a

::

black man and as a like

::

going to the barbershop.

::

That's something that I

::

could see a white director

::

of creativity or whatever

::

the fuck his title is being like,

::

I don't know what that means.

::

So why is it in there?

::

So we don't work it out on me.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Like, so that would be my only pushback in,

::

in that.

::

I don't know why light year

::

kind of gets the bum in.

::

i don't know where that

::

comes I do think you make a

::

good point about inside out

::

and it's the emotions you

::

are probably more seeing

::

than riley itself but like

::

you are I i would say that

::

is coming from like an

::

original place where you

::

were you are really trying

::

to like feel this story

::

like I agree right because

::

like it is the emotions but

::

we're still going through

::

the base beats of like this

::

person if this kid moved

::

she's sad she's running away

::

way yes um and it is this

::

like personal narrative but

::

like it it connects with

::

people like I talk to

::

people and they're like oh

::

inside out I cry

::

immediately like it's just

::

it really hits those

::

strings and so I just think

::

it's so hypocritical that

::

they're like anyway we're

::

doing sequels and the

::

commonality of the

::

experience but we're doing

::

a sequel to the movie that

::

is a very specific

::

experience about this

::

teenage girl and her emotions so yeah

::

i don't know what they're

::

wanting to prove here

::

exactly and the idea that I

::

don't know you something

::

like luca I'm gonna take a

::

step back here really quick

::

this is commentary I'm

::

taking a break from the

::

summary here but like

::

luca's like just about like

::

I'm a fish kid and I'm in

::

an italy town I hope I win

::

this triathlon and it's

::

like this really charming

::

story of this kid growing up

::

And if that would have had a

::

theatrical release,

::

I would have loved to see

::

people's reactions.

::

But these movies never got a chance.

::

Like they just immediately

::

went to Disney Plus and it

::

was to fill the Disney Plus machine.

::

And we've talked about that

::

in our previous episode.

::

And I want to also,

::

I also want to push back on the,

::

on the article itself

::

saying that these movies

::

are the reasons why they did badly.

::

Right.

::

Because I remember right

::

around like the year after

::

Luca came out and the year

::

after soul came out, I remember that year,

::

like January, 2021 is when Brittany,

::

the kids and I went to Disney world.

::

Yeah.

::

And I remember noticing how absent the,

::

luca yeah goal and

::

everything was from their

::

merchandising and from the

::

machine and I was in the

::

heart yeah of like disney

::

territory it's like going

::

over to somebody's house

::

and not seeing a picture of

::

a relative it's like why

::

isn't that there like this

::

is do you guys not like

::

rick like what's his deal

::

like and so it's just yeah

::

it's really weird to not

::

see any of that on there so

::

part of me is like

::

maybe some of the onus is on

::

Disney as a company to say,

::

if you treat a movie like

::

it's the redheaded stepchild,

::

weird that no,

::

if you don't put the machine behind it,

::

weird that it's not going to do well.

::

Well,

::

also the oversaturation of the way

::

that you were pushing out

::

content at that time too, right?

::

To Disney Plus,

::

that goes back to Chapik's

::

idea of uploaded directly to Disney Plus,

::

right?

::

Yeah.

::

And remove the releases process.

::

If you to to Doug,

::

this is just like that was

::

point A. This is point A1.

::

If you don't promote this

::

character from soul like this,

::

this is bad,

::

but I'm struggling to remember his name.

::

Yeah,

::

I think this is a part of what I'm

::

trying to say is I didn't

::

watch the red movie.

::

Turning Red.

::

I did not watch Turning Red.

::

I did not watch Luca.

::

I think we discussed it on this pod.

::

I think you and I did.

::

Yeah, we did a bonus on that,

::

I'm pretty sure.

::

You did.

::

But I didn't.

::

And I don't know,

::

that alignment of

::

characters all has a single

::

thread kind of tied to it.

::

The diversity of the

::

characters themselves.

::

I agree.

::

Because I kind of wanted to

::

play a game of like,

::

can each of you name me

::

three Pixar movies and I

::

would tell you whether they

::

would fall into...

::

disney's new bucket or do

::

they fall into the go woke

::

or go broke bucket

::

seriously I still put

::

inside out in that other

::

category because we've had

::

other stories about young

::

ladies challenging their

::

emotions but just not in

::

this capacity but it's

::

broad enough that you hit

::

that demographic soul is

::

just very fucking specific

::

and luca also feels very fucking specific

::

And turning red is very

::

specific because I think if

::

we're – I think the proof of your point,

::

Marcus,

::

about Inside Out is if you stand

::

it up and you compare it

::

next to turning red,

::

they are essentially –

::

similar similar stories not

::

the exact same story the

::

key differentiator is

::

turning red is told through

::

a asian lens an asian

::

cultural lens and this

::

dynamic that family plays

::

in that environment so

::

inside out can stand is I

::

would put that one bucket

::

but that's why you have to

::

put turning red in the

::

other one it's because this

::

is a very specific cultural

::

experience right

::

I would agree.

::

And I count Inside Out, like,

::

that's a great example.

::

I count Inside Out, I guess,

::

viewing it like Toy Story.

::

You didn't necessarily need Andy.

::

Andy was there,

::

but the story was about the toys.

::

The same with Inside Out.

::

It's like, Riley is there,

::

but it's really about the

::

emotions that are inside of Riley.

::

These other stories that

::

we're told that they are blaming...

::

It's very direct and very, to me,

::

obvious why they're saying

::

it didn't work and why it's

::

not quote unquote broad

::

enough or the thing that connects us all.

::

In reading this piece,

::

you learn that Pixar,

::

and some people might know this,

::

but the way Pixar does

::

their movies is like when they are,

::

when they, during the process,

::

their brain trust of leadership.

::

Like they'll give feedback

::

to directors and the

::

leadership team of that movie,

::

but they have no direct control over it.

::

And the more you think about it,

::

the more it makes sense for like,

::

even their ups and downs,

::

like the down of cars to being like,

::

we're going to be a spy thriller.

::

It's like, okay, whatever.

::

I guess you can try this.

::

And then you get like those

::

high highs of Coco, where it's like,

::

his little boy's going to die.

::

Yeah.

::

he's gonna go to the

::

afterlife and I mean I know

::

there's some magic thudgery

::

happening but the story's

::

like anyway he's he's gonna

::

go to heaven he's he's dead

::

and if he stays there he's

::

really dead well yeah he

::

somehow it gets I mean

::

that's essentially it brian

::

it's just the way you

::

phrased it he doesn't have

::

to die to get there but

::

he's there too long yeah

::

That guy is going to get a skeleton.

::

He's dead.

::

Exactly.

::

Oh, yes.

::

The commonality of language.

::

The dog whistle.

::

Yes.

::

We're firing on all cylinders tonight,

::

people.

::

And Coco, it made $800 million.

::

Fuck.

::

I didn't know that.

::

Oh, shit.

::

Yeah.

::

Trying to meet his dad.

::

Like, that's what that movie's about.

::

And then you want to look at flipping,

::

I don't know, soul and be like...

::

But you didn't promote.

::

I agree with Doug.

::

I don't know those characters.

::

I watched.

::

So I was hanging out with Megan.

::

Sorry, this is dragging.

::

Do it.

::

Do it.

::

Hanging out with my friend,

::

my really good friend, Megan Richard Shaw,

::

who is married to Dr. John Little,

::

for those that want another

::

reference to who's been on

::

the podcast before.

::

Yep.

::

So those are my two close friends.

::

Six degrees of black and white.

::

I get it.

::

I love it.

::

Six.

::

I'll take that one later.

::

So we all,

::

we were hanging out and she

::

wanted to go to the store

::

in Hawaii that the only

::

other place they had this

::

bag from Moana with the pig on it,

::

the character of the pig

::

was in this store.

::

I forgot the name of the store.

::

It was like a LaVray something.

::

I would have never gone to

::

that store as a single black man.

::

I would have never guessed

::

to walk in that store.

::

Anyway,

::

She said the only two places

::

they had it was at Disney and this,

::

and she took the time and

::

she wanted to go and find this character.

::

That's the type of

::

dedication and being tied

::

to a character that you

::

need that I don't think

::

they did with Eternals.

::

I don't think that they...

::

They also didn't do it with Eternals.

::

That was a good crossover.

::

Well done.

::

That was deliberate.

::

We got it.

::

We know.

::

That was intentional.

::

But they just didn't do it

::

with these other movies for

::

me to build a...

::

I think at one point they

::

tried to put out golden

::

clippers for soul as part of like,

::

I don't know.

::

It was like,

::

I don't know the fuck going on, but,

::

and that's Jamie fucking Fox.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Like that's a, that's a big fucking deal.

::

Oh God.

::

I forgot.

::

Yeah.

::

What more do you want people

::

like that should be a

::

knockout the fucking part.

::

So that's yeah.

::

Sorry.

::

Go keep going.

::

No, you're fine.

::

I mean,

::

so basically that they that's the

::

part of the article.

::

That's the part where it's just like, oh,

::

I know what you mean when

::

you mean you want to tell

::

like more broad and common experiences.

::

And that's that's crap.

::

And you're going to make

::

your stuff so much more bland.

::

Ask Warner Brothers how that's going.

::

That's a great question.

::

Ask Sony how that's going.

::

In fact, before you make that decision,

::

go to Netflix and watch

::

Morbius and see how that

::

works out for you.

::

Or Madam Whip.

::

Or fuck Madam Whip.

::

Yeah.

::

Just trying to find this

::

mass appeal thing is like...

::

I hate it.

::

They want, it's just,

::

it's just such a clear

::

money grab and what Pixar

::

it's what Pixar wasn't for

::

so long and why you could

::

count on it to be a step

::

above everything.

::

Even when the competition

::

got more fierce with like

::

illumination studios with

::

despicable me or Kung Fu Panda,

::

anything like that from dreamworks,

::

like Pixar just had the special sauce.

::

And so now what I'm going to

::

end with is that there's

::

seen one of their senior VPs.

::

I'm trying to find her name.

::

Lindsay Collins is now,

::

tasked with essentially

::

looking back at all the

::

pixar stuff and from 2027

::

onwards just finding a way

::

to make new movies with

::

everything from the past so

::

she essentially has the job

::

of being like how can we

::

make a spin off of cars or

::

how can we make a sequel to

::

finding dory they tried

::

that it was called planes

::

and nobody wanted to watch

::

it I forgot about this fucking movie

::

You've done this before, man.

::

I remember that.

::

What's the story from

::

Finding Nemo going to be?

::

Oh, by the way,

::

you know those two crabs

::

that were from Boston and arguing?

::

We made a whole fucking movie about them.

::

You think that that's not true,

::

but that's exactly what's

::

going to happen.

::

That's exactly what's going to happen.

::

Lindsay, call me.

::

I can help.

::

There's such a good quote here, too.

::

She has teenage children.

::

She mentions this in the article.

::

This is a quote.

::

Her son, Cash,

::

reminds her that sequels

::

shouldn't feel opportunistic.

::

Quote from Lindsay Collins.

::

The other day, I was like,

::

what if I told you we were

::

making Incredibles 3?

::

Yeah.

::

Her son, quote, said, money grab.

::

Shut up to that motherfucker.

::

Shut up, Cash.

::

You got a seat on this pod, sir.

::

Because, yeah, he called it immediately.

::

And she mentions this in the article.

::

And that's her entire job is

::

to look back and by 2027

::

have a whole slate of

::

movies that are related to

::

everything that came before

::

basically 2019.

::

That's just crazy.

::

it's it feels like a death

::

spiral and I hope somebody

::

talks them out of it but I

::

mean like I don't want to

::

see a bug's life a buggy

::

life a buggy your life I

::

don't want to see monsters

::

university to senior year I

::

don't I don't a buggy your

::

life I don't know man like

::

I don't want to see the

::

good dinosaur meteorite bug

::

hugabalooza I don't know

::

like it's just it's a

::

meteorite hugabalooza

::

Hugging a meteorite as a

::

dinosaur is crazy.

::

We're going to do a Toy

::

Story movie that's about a

::

yo-yo that we call Ups and Downs.

::

They already have Toy Story

::

5 in the pipeline,

::

so it means that she'll probably be like,

::

hey, what if we did a Toy Story 6,

::

but it's just Bonnie.

::

It's just the girl that had the toys,

::

but not the toys themselves.

::

andy andy comes back and

::

adopts bonnie and now they

::

both have the same kid it's

::

gonna be so this is where I

::

mean like say what you want

::

about the movie sausage

::

party it's gross sure but I

::

do appreciate like you need

::

a seth rogan in there to be

::

like seth rogan I want you

::

to write a toy story-esque movie

::

oh man that is just about

::

the toys that you buy in

::

that special section of

::

walmart um that you walk by

::

and look at and go yep not

::

today but then you keep

::

walking like and like that

::

I want to like you call it

::

growing up like I don't

::

know you could do anything

::

there but you kind of want

::

them to do it I kind of

::

want them to do it just to do it

::

I mean,

::

the idea of the rejects has kind of

::

been touched on in some of

::

the Toy Story stuff,

::

but the idea that it's, like, a full-on,

::

like, these are, like,

::

the Suicide Squad of Toy Story,

::

that would be really funny to me.

::

With a lovable plug as the lead.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, I'm into it.

::

And then they, like,

::

I would love a sequence where they meet,

::

like, the A-plus toys, and they're like,

::

well, we're not like you.

::

You suck.

::

I don't know.

::

Okay, all right.

::

I have a question.

::

The butt plug is an A-plus toy?

::

Oh, no, it's technically a B-toy.

::

No, I was talking about Toy Story toys.

::

Marcus, Marcus,

::

a butt plug is a Suicide Squad toy.

::

It knows where it's going.

::

We took a huge turn in it.

::

Marcus, Marcus, that has a specific use.

::

okay like it's so butt plugs

::

and anal no one's oh that

::

was not the choice I was

::

thinking of okay brian I

::

said a lovable butt plug

::

and you're like I'm into it

::

I was like fuck brian I

::

definitely didn't hear that

::

no so you what you dropped

::

out but I heard you loud

::

and clear even when you

::

dropped out yeah that's

::

yeah that's why I like

::

these see that's how my

::

internet comes back to bite you

::

yeah so Toy Story 7 takes

::

place in Spencer's Gifts

::

pretty much I mean the

::

audience would have grown

::

up by then Toy Story came

::

out in like 1999 I want to

::

say nipple piercings as

::

toys speakable figures

::

played by played by who's

::

the lady that I don't

::

really care for sometimes Awkwafina

::

i thought I was trying to

::

think about the academy

::

award-winning actor meryl

::

streep plays the meryl

::

streep does not like meryl

::

I do not narrow street

::

plays the nudie pen that

::

when you turn it one way

::

it's closed comes off

::

honestly this isn't too far

::

off actually like I'm

::

waiting for mark strong to

::

be like the inappropriate

::

t-shirt that never gets picked up but

::

Anyway,

::

we are that that is pretty much

::

that that is a summary of

::

this Pixar piece.

::

It's really sad because it

::

just really feels like

::

Pixar looked at the past and was like,

::

these movies could could I

::

be out of touch and maybe

::

people didn't want to go to

::

movie theaters from 2020 to

::

like recently?

::

No, the stories must have been awful.

::

Like it's lazy.

::

It's just all the wrong lessons.

::

That's probably woke agenda, right?

::

I mean,

::

it also doesn't help that Chapik

::

basically hijacked all of

::

their hard work to just

::

make Disney Plus look better.

::

And they didn't even get a

::

chance to have it in a theater.

::

And now Bob Iger is in the

::

unenviable position of like, look,

::

I know you all make good movies,

::

but we need bangers and we

::

need them back.

::

You know,

::

like that's why they're doing

::

Frozen 3 and Toy Story 5

::

because he knows he's got to fix it.

::

And, you know,

::

sequels are the way to do it.

::

So it's funny.

::

There's a quote in here that

::

I'll end with is some of

::

the Pixar employees were like, oh,

::

once we once we start doing

::

straight to streaming.

::

it's a death spiral.

::

And it's like, man,

::

I think this is a death

::

spiral of just taking out any edge,

::

like just rubbing all the

::

edges down until there's

::

nothing left that everybody

::

can grab onto.

::

When it's just like,

::

you keep doing that and

::

there's going to be nothing

::

there to hold.

::

Like it's just, it's sad.

::

Cause it used Pixar used to

::

be this like symbol of quality.

::

And after reading this, it's like,

::

I don't know, will it be in five years?

::

I don't know, man.

::

And I don't want to tie the basic, uh,

::

I don't want to tie the

::

basic or unseasoned to just

::

being like white creators

::

because I don't think that that's fair,

::

right?

::

It's not a matter of like

::

white versus people of

::

color who provide a better story.

::

There's a story that comes from all of us.

::

I think what I'm more

::

disappointed is the diversity of thought,

::

right?

::

The diversity of ideas that come from

::

um super creatives we've

::

interviewed creatives on

::

this podcast yeah yes we

::

talk to creatives all of

::

all three of us are

::

creatives and yeah

::

different capacities like

::

we have a certain itch that

::

we have and when you go and

::

you try to box us in to

::

just duplicate the same

::

thing and not offer like a

::

new voice to anything right

::

that may it will work for a

::

couple years a few years of

::

course yeah but you'll end

::

up in the same boat that

::

you were when they started

::

telling those stories in the

::

now what or somebody else

::

will pick that up and

::

there's other options where

::

people can tell their story

::

or do it on their own and

::

make a shit ton of money

::

and then you try to hire

::

them on the back end I just

::

think you are I don't know

::

you're playing a dangerous

::

game there but yeah I don't

::

like it yeah I don't like it but yeah

::

Well, you know what, Brian,

::

a way to break it down.

::

We were kind of acting a

::

little foolish there for a while.

::

You broke that down real well.

::

You did.

::

Hey, that's all right.

::

Thanks for letting me do a

::

story time moment here with

::

this giant Bloomberg piece.

::

You can you can link it and

::

you can subscribe if you want.

::

But it is a chunker of an article.

::

There's some history of Pixar in there.

::

If that's your jam with

::

Steve Jobs and Lucasfilm

::

and how that all came to be.

::

So if that's your jam, check it out.

::

Otherwise,

::

that's that's the highlights here.

::

Awesome.

::

uh we got a glimpse speaking

::

of sort of chunkers and

::

movies that we're not sure

::

how they're gonna work out

::

we got the trailer for

::

venom 3 the final chapter

::

today oh yeah and the last

::

dance whatever the last last dance

::

final chapter I don't know

::

um and I kind of want to

::

talk a little bit about

::

like what we saw in the

::

trailer because this has

::

been real I mean we've seen

::

some like shots that tom

::

hardy has released from

::

like through instagram of

::

like different things um

::

but I kind of wanted to

::

talk about what we saw in

::

the trailer um somebody

::

want to give it a breakdown

::

I can try but does anybody

::

else want to give it a

::

breakdown I mean there's um

::

Oh, you can... I mean... No, go.

::

I'll eat all you, man.

::

All right.

::

So, boom.

::

We have the dynamic duo back again.

::

Guess who's back?

::

Back again.

::

Or ground control.

::

Ground control.

::

That was a song that they

::

used in the trailer.

::

And so, Eddie Brock and Venom are back.

::

And you see them kind of

::

doing their little tag team duo thing.

::

They're eating the heads off the bad guys,

::

which is fair, right?

::

You know, that's the rule.

::

You eat the heads off the bad guys.

::

And they are...

::

Kind of they're in sync.

::

They're in lockstep with each other.

::

It seems like there's a

::

soldier and he is played by

::

his name is I want to get his name right.

::

He has a very long name,

::

but a very talented actor.

::

It's a soldier or scientist

::

capturing different pieces

::

of venom from Venom's

::

original home planet from

::

the symbiote planet.

::

And so.

::

You can see the different

::

types of venom that they've

::

captured already.

::

They kind of go and they

::

tease the capture of that

::

loose piece of venom of symbiote.

::

I'm sorry.

::

Keep calling it venom symbiote.

::

That was at the end of the No Way Home.

::

Was it No Way Home credit scenes?

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, it's No Way Home.

::

No Way Home.

::

And so that was crawling across the bar.

::

They captured that one that

::

was at the bar because

::

they're trying to tell people,

::

we're not trying to let this get out.

::

And in order for us not to

::

let this get out,

::

there's a war that's coming.

::

They have different type of

::

animals that are coming

::

down from Venom's planet,

::

like symbiote type animals.

::

And

::

In order to put a bow on

::

this thing or kind of like

::

keep people from in a panic

::

or prepare for this war,

::

they have to kill all the

::

symbiote or capture all the symbiote,

::

I'm guessing,

::

which includes Venom and Eddie.

::

So Venom and Eddie are now

::

on the outs being chased by

::

different respective parties.

::

It seems like Venom is being

::

chased by people from his

::

home planet and things, people, whatever,

::

from his home planet.

::

And Eddie is being chased by, obviously,

::

soldiers and people from his planet.

::

They're going to work

::

together to kind of do this last dance.

::

And it seems like it's all on the line,

::

like death is...

::

The running the theme or the

::

subtext is like till death do they part.

::

Chiwetel Ejiofor I think

::

that's how you say it yeah

::

he was in 12 Years a Slave

::

Doctor Strange he was in a

::

lot of things yeah he's

::

outstanding yeah that was a

::

great summary that was

::

perfect that was spot on

::

I mean, really, I guess, you don't really,

::

it doesn't,

::

I will give this trailer its credit.

::

We've complained about this

::

before when trailers give

::

away too much in the trailer itself.

::

This plays stuff pretty close to the vest.

::

There's not a lot there that

::

they give away.

::

I couldn't tell you what

::

this movie is about.

::

Other than what Marcus said,

::

I couldn't tell you what

::

the big reveal is.

::

I'm seeing some rumors fly

::

around that they're trying

::

to do a tie-in to the Marvel storyline,

::

The King in Black,

::

but I really hope that they don't,

::

because that would make

::

me... To not give that your

::

full attention.

::

That's a big storyline,

::

so for those of you that don't know,

::

The King in Black is a

::

storyline that came out a

::

few years ago that was about,

::

essentially...

::

Null, who is the king of all the symbiotes,

::

finally sends all of his

::

forces to Earth and

::

everybody has to try to stand up to him.

::

But it puts Eddie Brock and

::

his son at the center as

::

being the one person who

::

can sort of like stand up to it all.

::

And they're trying to say

::

that some of the animals

::

that Marcus is referencing...

::

look very similar to the

::

creatures that are sent down that way.

::

But man, I don't know.

::

That seems like a really big stretch.

::

And that seems a lot for a

::

movie of this caliber.

::

And I kind of don't... No, not kind of.

::

I don't want that.

::

I do not want that at all.

::

Even if it's what they typically... Oh,

::

sorry.

::

Go ahead, bro.

::

No, I...

::

No, you do your thing,

::

and then I have an MCU

::

question after that.

::

Oh, okay.

::

More so, like,

::

even if they do the thing

::

where they try to take

::

pieces of that story,

::

because we kind of saw it

::

with the Carnage story,

::

and we saw it with, I mean, Venom 2,

::

Let There Be Carnage.

::

They took bits and pieces of

::

the villain and Carnage,

::

and they didn't tell the whole story,

::

but they just told a piece of it.

::

Is that what you're not wanting?

::

Yes.

::

I either want you to do it,

::

because here's the reason why.

::

This is Tom Hardy's last Venom movie,

::

or at least as far as we can tell,

::

it's his last Venom movie.

::

So part of me wants to say,

::

because he's played the character so well,

::

even though he sounds like

::

Bane when he's doing Venom...

::

You've played the character so well.

::

There's a part of me that's like,

::

hasn't this man who's put

::

these previous two movies on his back?

::

Hasn't he sort of earned his

::

showdown with Spider-Man at

::

some point in time?

::

Yeah.

::

Like hasn't, hasn't he earned that?

::

That's rumored.

::

I have a theory about it,

::

but I want to hear what Brian has first.

::

Okay.

::

This ties in.

::

So I was confused and I

::

wanted to talk about it on

::

the podcast because when I

::

watched the trailer, um,

::

the soldier,

::

he captures the symbiote that

::

we're alluding to at the

::

end of No Way Home.

::

And feel free to correct me,

::

but I thought that in No

::

Way Home it was implied

::

that Eddie came from a different...

::

like multiverse.

::

Okay,

::

so I'm confused if that they captured

::

it there.

::

Like the two ways I logic stay there.

::

Yeah,

::

is it are they the soldiers are not

::

traveling the multiverse or to

::

eddie is eddie in the same

::

universe but he got

::

teleported back I don't

::

like that's the part where

::

I'm like if you can nail

::

that part I I'll probably

::

be more invested in this

::

movie okay but right now

::

it's a little confusing

::

because it's like you're

::

telling me he came from a

::

different universe but this

::

soldier guy that he's having issues with

::

is in the Spider-Man No Way Home universe.

::

So I'm very curious how

::

they're going to untangle that.

::

What I'm going to say is

::

going to sound really shitty.

::

This is from the same studio

::

that brought you Matt and

::

Webb and Morbius.

::

So there's a part of me that's like,

::

they're probably not going to address it.

::

They're not going to address it at all.

::

Third option, they don't care.

::

They don't give a fuck about it.

::

And they're just going to

::

hope you didn't see No Way Home.

::

Or it's because...

::

Sony is still building their,

::

they look like they're

::

putting a bow on their

::

weird Spider-Man boneless universe.

::

Yes.

::

And they're trying to build

::

something that's a

::

Spider-Man villain universe.

::

I'm not really sure what it is.

::

A boneless Spider-Man universe.

::

A boneless Spider-Man.

::

It's just what it is.

::

Just a limp Spider-Man on

::

the street that has no bones.

::

He's just like this wet pizza,

::

just being like, I'm coming!

::

He's just rolling over himself.

::

Someone throw me at the villain!

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

I feel like it could go

::

maybe two ways if I had my own theory.

::

when Eddie and Venom disappear,

::

they could disappear to the

::

same place in their universe, right?

::

So the same bar exists.

::

It just exists in two different places.

::

And or the symbiote split itself again,

::

right?

::

So while it got transported back,

::

that one was crawling on

::

the bar in Eddie's universe,

::

but the other one did

::

sliver away because the

::

rumor is for Spider-Man 4,

::

the black suit will be a

::

part of that story.

::

Unless they have a

::

completely different way of

::

going about introducing.

::

But how do you do that

::

without having a Venom?

::

I think they're both having

::

the same issue.

::

One has a Venom.

::

One has a Spider-Man.

::

Both don't have each other.

::

I mean the only other way I

::

could think that they would

::

do it is in the Marvel side of things.

::

You give them a black suit

::

because you're really

::

hoping for that Secret Wars piece.

::

But I don't know the timing of things.

::

And that's – again,

::

that's a lot to have to lay

::

foundationally.

::

So I don't know.

::

This just – this feels really messy.

::

Yeah.

::

sony messy spider-man we're

::

in our element oh I mean oh

::

my gosh like even how

::

spider-man gets the suit in

::

the original like original

::

original secret wars is

::

just like dude literally

::

goes up to a machine and

::

he's like what's this and

::

pushes a button and a black

::

ball pops out and he's like

::

it's a suit and we go on

::

our merry way it doesn't

::

turn out to be a symbiote

::

until like 30 or 40 issues later yeah

::

Yeah.

::

And so, I mean, I'm going to give it,

::

I'll probably,

::

I'll probably see it

::

because I want to support.

::

I like Tom Hardy.

::

I like what he's done with this.

::

I think despite it feeling really sort of,

::

he's done a,

::

they've done a good job

::

trying to give it some

::

level of a through line here.

::

And even though it sort of

::

felt like with just the

::

Venom side of things,

::

it's been a little all over the place,

::

it's still been good.

::

Like I said,

::

I feel like he's done such a

::

good job playing Eddie

::

Brock and Venom together

::

that I feel like he's sort

::

of earned a Spider-Man

::

showdown at this point.

::

I agree.

::

It'll be a different version of Eddie,

::

I think.

::

I think that's a good opportunity to do.

::

Oh,

::

if he still exists in the other

::

Spider-Man universe, he just...

::

Eddie Brock looks different.

::

They don't know each other.

::

Peter and Eddie don't know

::

of each other because Peter

::

no longer exists and Eddie

::

Brock will be a different

::

version of Eddie Brock in

::

this universe who's not a hero.

::

He will be that asshole.

::

I still think you can get it.

::

I still think you can get

::

that Venom Spider-Man.

::

They have to at some point, right?

::

I mean,

::

I feel like they would be foolish not to.

::

That's such an untapped opportunity.

::

They're also scared not to repeat.

::

They don't want to repeat.

::

No, they don't.

::

I mean,

::

I think the bonkers thing about

::

this is like,

::

venom and spider-man's like

::

rival rivalry I think is

::

maybe the best way to say

::

it is is so fun because it

::

it always dives into hey

::

this is like the mirror

::

version of yourself and how

::

do you deal with that

::

because there's parts of

::

you that like it right and

::

that's something that I've

::

always enjoyed about this

::

story of venom and

::

spider-man and have it

::

always being this like

::

not Romeo and Juliet.

::

I mean, I guess it could be romantic,

::

but it's just like, they're always,

::

they're always fighting each other.

::

They're always opposing each other.

::

Like it's, it's the Sisyphus thing.

::

You can only roll the

::

boulder up so many times.

::

I keep it.

::

Like you have,

::

this conflict keeps

::

happening in different ways,

::

which I think is engaging.

::

So it is just kind of a

::

bummer to just not even

::

being able to have these

::

two characters connect in

::

any meaningful way.

::

And like the business brain in me is like,

::

man, if I was Marvel, I'd be like, Hey,

::

make this one last movie with Tom Hardy.

::

Cause like,

::

We're taking it from here or

::

like we need to find a way

::

to integrate it into the MCU.

::

And like,

::

that's just kind of what it feels like,

::

even though there's nothing

::

public or any leverage out there.

::

But like,

::

I think I think the I think Kevin,

::

we all know who Kevin is.

::

I think Kevin knows that

::

they need that if they're

::

going to do any more Spider-Man stories.

::

Listen here, Kevin.

::

Moving forward.

::

It definitely feels like

::

from Tom Hardy's previous statements,

::

that weird interview he did

::

at a golf thing, if you remember that.

::

He's like, yeah,

::

can't wait to do Spider-Man.

::

We're doing Spider-Man 4.

::

We're in development.

::

It makes me think there's a

::

connection there that they're like,

::

close the chapter, be done, and then

::

We're bringing Venom.

::

We're bringing Venom over to

::

the MCU because then

::

there's a whole lot of

::

other things you can do.

::

But yeah,

::

what a weird twisted tale for

::

this Sony Venom.

::

From a success to just an

::

oddball character in that universe.

::

And Brian,

::

I think one thing that you mentioned,

::

like I think to your point

::

is I think that that

::

dichotomy between

::

Spider-Man and Venom plays

::

out really well in the

::

Spider-Man 2 video game because literally,

::

literally Venom in that

::

feels like Spider-Man is told power,

::

responsibility, like that side of things.

::

What if you just stopped

::

caring about the

::

responsibility piece and

::

you got all the power like that?

::

That there is such an

::

interesting like it does

::

that that part of it really, really well.

::

So, yeah.

::

um any other thoughts on

::

venom the final chapter or

::

whatever it is I'm excited

::

to watch it last dance I i

::

am excited to watch it I

::

still got it wrong no

::

you're fine I don't know

::

like I'm still I'm still

::

excited like the venom

::

movies are just fun like

::

chocolate yeah they are hot

::

like I still think about

::

that when I'm like really

::

really hungry and I'm hangry and

::

I just think of that first

::

Venom movie and it's like,

::

I want chocolate and tater tots.

::

I'm like, hey, that's me.

::

Got it.

::

Tater tots.

::

Sorry, I wasn't.

::

I was doing my Tom Hardy voice.

::

You said chocolate and tater

::

tots and I was like,

::

please don't eat that.

::

Together.

::

I'm excited.

::

That wasn't what I heard.

::

I did not hear tater tots.

::

Oh my.

::

What did you hear?

::

It rhymes with tater tots,

::

but it's damn sure ain't tater tots.

::

That's all I'm going to be

::

able to think about.

::

Tune in the next episode.

::

I'm going to be up at night

::

with a big list on my wall

::

like tater tots.

::

Greasy thoughts.

::

That's not it.

::

Greasy thoughts.

::

T-H-O-T-S.

::

Not the thought in your head.

::

Here's what we got.

::

I did want to talk a little

::

bit about predator because

::

there was an exciting revelation.

::

So I don't know if y'all heard this,

::

this kind of flew on the radar for me,

::

but we are getting another

::

Dan Trachtenberg predator movie.

::

Um, I don't think it has a release date,

::

but it is going to be a

::

followup to the Hulu movie prey,

::

which was though,

::

which was set in 1719 and

::

started Amber Thunder, um,

::

as a Comanche woman.

::

Um, yes, this one though,

::

just got announced that L Fanning,

::

From Mary Shelley,

::

from How to Talk to Girls at Parties,

::

from The Box Trolls.

::

That's not a good one.

::

Maleficent, We Bought a Zoo, Super 8.

::

From all of those movies,

::

she got tapped to lead in that.

::

So she is going to be, I think,

::

the thing against the Predator.

::

And the movie is called Badlands.

::

Um,

::

which I can only assume means that it

::

is exclusively about the song Badlands.

::

Um,

::

In the Badlands.

::

Who's the fucking artist?

::

Who's the fucking artist?

::

From New Jersey.

::

What's his name?

::

Bruce Springsteen.

::

In the Badlands.

::

The time it took him to set

::

his own joke up.

::

I still think it's funny.

::

It's exclusively about

::

someone who's a roadie for

::

Bruce Springsteen when the

::

album comes out.

::

But they also said that

::

there's like a bunch of Dan

::

Trachtenberg stories that

::

are being slated for in development.

::

So THR reported in February

::

that in addition to Badlands,

::

20th Century Fox has a

::

bunch of prejudical

::

projects in development.

::

And Dan Trachtenberg is at

::

the center of all of them.

::

So he's sort of...

::

dictating and moving the

::

Predator universe.

::

Okay.

::

The Predverse, where it needs to be.

::

The Prediverse?

::

The PCU?

::

The Predator Cinematic Universe?

::

The Predator Cinematic Universe.

::

But yeah, so anyway.

::

That's what the Google

::

search on Pornhub is.

::

The PCU.

::

It's just not in that order.

::

It's not in that order.

::

The rapper in me,

::

that makes perfect sense.

::

PCU, it sounds like.

::

You know what I mean?

::

I got you.

::

We'll workshop it.

::

We'll workshop it for you.

::

But we were really high on that movie.

::

We loved it.

::

I mean, that was one of our highlights.

::

When we did our movie bracket,

::

that one made it a long way

::

because we were really jacked about,

::

you know,

::

just the story itself was just really,

::

really well done.

::

And so I'm excited to see

::

what they do with it because, I mean,

::

with him back leading it,

::

Elle Fanning is a great actress,

::

so I'm excited to see what

::

they do with this.

::

She most recently has been

::

in The Great on Hulu.

::

Yeah.

::

I've seen a few episodes of

::

that and she's been, I mean,

::

she's been super

::

entertaining and great and very happy,

::

very happy to see that

::

they're making a sequel.

::

Like I knew that Badlands was announced,

::

but I'm very happy.

::

It's not in development hell

::

and they have a lead moving

::

forward with it because man,

::

that was just one of the

::

movies during that weird 2020,

::

2021 time where it was like, no, this is,

::

this is like a movie you see in a theater.

::

And like,

::

I had that realization about a

::

quarter of the way through it.

::

So very excited to go see

::

this in a theater.

::

Cause man, like if,

::

if it's that same magic as pray,

::

like I'm in, I have to be awesome in it.

::

Yeah, it's going to be really awesome.

::

Marcus, anything that you have?

::

A couple questions.

::

Maybe a couple questions,

::

but I just want to

::

highlight some of the

::

things that I did watch on the plane.

::

One, Doug,

::

I left all of your comic books

::

sitting on top of a speaker,

::

and they did not make it in my book bag.

::

Excellent.

::

Oh, that's fun.

::

Not on purpose.

::

Completely on accident.

::

I thought you were going to

::

say that you left them in Hawaii,

::

and I've been like, oh, cool,

::

someone will read them there.

::

No.

::

I would never do that.

::

That was the biggest thing I

::

was afraid of.

::

But no, I got on a plane and was like,

::

time to read some comics.

::

Shit was not in my bag.

::

But John Little gave me,

::

Dr. John Little gave me I Am Bane Part 3.

::

So I read that.

::

That was really good.

::

That was a great read.

::

Doug,

::

you would love that if you haven't

::

read it already.

::

I bet I would.

::

A couple things I watched.

::

Some of this is over the

::

shoulder of people while

::

they had captions on,

::

so I'm also just... Excellent.

::

Good.

::

I love it for that guy.

::

That makes me happy.

::

This was great.

::

I was watching like five

::

different things at one time,

::

also simultaneously.

::

Which, for your ADD, is fucking perfect.

::

I was having a great time.

::

It was like the perfect

::

little slot down the line,

::

like down the row,

::

where you could see all the stuff.

::

He was like, fuck yeah, great choices,

::

everybody.

::

So, I watched... You three head.

::

You change it.

::

I don't like you.

::

Hey, great job, everybody else.

::

Great job.

::

The Beekeeper with Jason Statham.

::

That looked really good.

::

Great action throughout.

::

I wasn't sure what the plot was,

::

but it's basically every

::

other Jason Statham plot.

::

This guy probably wanted to

::

just take care of bees and

::

be retired and not kill people,

::

and then they made him kill people.

::

But it was good.

::

The violence was great.

::

I enjoyed myself.

::

Bob Marley, One Love.

::

I did watch that.

::

I had that one actually I

::

was watching and that was like a good,

::

it was like a documentary

::

telling of Bob Marley with

::

our guy who was the Skrull leader.

::

The Secret Invasion.

::

The Secret Invasion, yeah.

::

So that was good.

::

Then somebody watched American Fiction.

::

And then John Little watched

::

American Fiction and said

::

that that was good.

::

So I was watching over the shoulder.

::

So I need to go back and

::

finish that one and watch it for real.

::

I watched Superman.

::

Of course,

::

when I got on the plane and then

::

I watched it was something else.

::

I watched it.

::

That was like, oh,

::

I've been meaning to watch

::

this.

::

I've been meaning to watch this.

::

I watched it.

::

They did have Dune 1 and 2,

::

but I never got a chance to

::

get around to it.

::

That was my watching.

::

Listening,

::

I listened to that entire

::

playlist of music.

::

If y'all want me to review it,

::

I will do a bonus episode

::

and just a quick review

::

somewhere later on down the

::

road of the music that I did listen to.

::

Then I wanted to get into reading,

::

but the flights were so long.

::

I was itching.

::

It was so much stuff.

::

I'm going to do this, that, and the third.

::

Then I got on a plane and was like,

::

I'm going to sleep.

::

you know what I mean like

::

that's oh yeah but I got a

::

great list from brian and

::

on things to read and gary

::

recommendations too I

::

bought a fantastic four

::

full circle by alex ross

::

graphic novel in hawaii

::

beautiful beautiful piece

::

uh beautiful beautiful

::

piece um it's great yeah

::

I'd have to show it to you

::

I'm looking at it right now

::

I'd have to go grab it but oh

::

That's amazing.

::

So, there was that.

::

I had questions.

::

Brian, Roush.

::

What's up?

::

For you.

::

Captain America,

::

the brave new... I don't

::

even know what the title is.

::

It is on its 17,000th reshoot.

::

Yes.

::

What does this mean?

::

I mean, like... So, right, like,

::

these movies, like,

::

when you're getting above $100,

::

$200 million, reshoots are normal, right?

::

Because there's a lot riding on it.

::

But I...

::

It does make me pause

::

because it's a lot... This

::

is like the second or third

::

round of reshoots.

::

One is understandable.

::

It's a big movie with lots

::

of moving parts.

::

But if we're on our third set of reshoots,

::

I think...

::

It signals to me that it

::

might be bigger than the movie.

::

I think it might be MCU reshoot stuff.

::

Maybe a character's there

::

that isn't supposed to be there.

::

Or we need to introduce

::

somebody because this other

::

movie isn't happening.

::

That would be my guess for

::

Brave New World.

::

I'm going to keep going.

::

This is just rapid fire.

::

This one is for everybody.

::

Warner Brothers reportedly

::

wants to make a Barbie

::

sequel with or without Greta Gerwig.

::

but not out there.

::

Don't do that.

::

The Boys will probably go

::

longer than its intended

::

five-season plan.

::

The director, I think,

::

is the one who said no one

::

was ever more wrong in all

::

of human history about how

::

many seasons this show was

::

going to go other than this guy,

::

meaning himself.

::

So there is that.

::

Any...

::

I mean, I'm not surprised.

::

I mean, people love that show.

::

Even if they haven't read the comics,

::

they can say they love that show.

::

So no surprises there.

::

I mean, I think Amazon,

::

they didn't know what they had.

::

And then when it blew up the way it did,

::

they're like, this is our MCU.

::

So I definitely think it's

::

going to run out of juice.

::

I still think we got another

::

two or three seasons before we get there.

::

And it's so different from

::

the graphic novel that I

::

think they'll continue to

::

have ideas for it and draw from it.

::

Because the graphic novel is not...

::

It's not the show.

::

If you like The Boys,

::

don't read the graphic

::

novel because you won't

::

look at it the same.

::

And I've told people that who've said,

::

well, I really like The Boys,

::

and I've said, don't read it.

::

The artist style is really kind of odd.

::

It's not bad.

::

I enjoy it.

::

But if you're not ready for

::

it after watching the super stylized show,

::

you're not going to be ready for it.

::

And also, it's rough.

::

If you think the show's bad,

::

think about in a book that

::

they don't think anyone's going to read.

::

Like they like just fucking go nuts.

::

So Godzilla minus one is on

::

Netflix right now.

::

That's for Doug.

::

I do that.

::

Yep.

::

Oh, that's great.

::

Godzilla minus one and

::

Godzilla minus color minus

::

one minus color is also

::

going to be there.

::

A minus one is there both

::

dubbed and subtitled.

::

And then you can,

::

I think they said minus

::

color will be there in July.

::

That's a good pickup for Netflix.

::

Robert Downey Jr.

::

says he is surprisingly

::

open-minded about returning

::

as Spider-Man.

::

It's just crazily... This is

::

from a Variety article.

::

That's a bold move

::

considering he played Iron Man.

::

It's just crazily in my DNA,

::

probably the most like-me

::

character I've ever played,

::

even though he's way cooler than I am.

::

That is via Variety article.

::

And my last two pieces,

::

Josh Brolin has been cast

::

in Knives Out 3.

::

I love everybody that they

::

have casted so far in Knives Out 3.

::

that's going to be a very

::

sexy movie and I'm just

::

excited to hear and my last

::

one is Paramount and

::

Skydance have agreed to

::

merge via CNBC oh that's

::

huge that's huge that's a

::

big one we'll have to talk

::

more about that next week

::

that's a very big one yeah

::

all the cast for Knives Out

::

3 looks awesome I mean the

::

Robert Downey Jr.

::

one

::

Okay, yeah, come back.

::

But it's also funny because

::

what's my guy who played Hawkeye?

::

Jeremy Renner also just

::

recently did an interview and said,

::

I would love if we all came

::

back together.

::

So to me,

::

this is like the setup for Secret

::

Wars or it's the setup for,

::

you know what I mean?

::

Like it just, yeah.

::

I feel like there's a lot of

::

ways you can bring him back.

::

Half of Ironheart is Riri

::

Williams in the comic

::

working with a hologram of Tony Stark.

::

That's an AI.

::

I feel like you could do that

::

pretty easily but man this

::

all this all really feels

::

like secret wars or

::

whatever they're gonna call

::

that bringing back the

::

original feel yep it feels

::

like this the six of them

::

will show up yeah somehow

::

and help our current

::

avengers but man it sure

::

feels like this is inevitable

::

much like Thanos you two

::

would be very proud of me I

::

crossed two movies of the I

::

can't believe you have not

::

watched that list I have

::

crossed those off I've

::

watched Dawn of the Planet

::

of the Apes and Rise of the

::

Planet of the Apes over the

::

course of the past week or

::

so I'm deep in with some monkeys man um

::

And I was very surprised.

::

I thought I was going to hate it,

::

to be honest with you.

::

I thought that I would find

::

the apes off-putting.

::

Yeah.

::

But there's moments where I'm like, no, no,

::

no.

::

They did a really good job with that.

::

The one with James Franco,

::

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, that one,

::

there's a couple of the

::

Uncanny Valley type moments.

::

But shit,

::

they figured that shit out for

::

the second.

::

They figured it out real fast.

::

And I really like the storyline.

::

I really like the storyline

::

for Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

::

And so I heard the game changer is war.

::

of the Planet of the Apes

::

I've heard that one's like

::

the big one so that's next

::

on my list so who knows

::

maybe I'll be this is the

::

Matt Reeves monkey universe

::

like yeah the reason that

::

he basically got the Batman

::

I think a major piece of

::

like yes why he got that

::

Batman universe that he did

::

was how he did this shit

::

yeah so I'm excited to I'm

::

excited to watch that one

::

next and also every single

::

meme every single image of

::

that monkey going oh no

::

makes me laugh I was just

::

about to ask you if that

::

was what part of your

::

inspiration for sending the

::

monkey saying no me yes by

::

the way I needed to like

::

find context for what am I

::

watching right now yeah

::

brian I sent to the chat

::

while marcus was in hawaii

::

at least three of the

::

monkey going oh no like at

::

least three of them being like

::

oh no I googled this doug I

::

had to google monkey thing

::

oh no I had to like I had

::

to like figure this out

::

because I was like I don't

::

know where this is from

::

well because here's the

::

problem referencing the

::

algorithm caught me

::

watching so many clips of

::

that monkey that it was

::

like well this person

::

actually probably just

::

should watch planet of the

::

apes right and so then it

::

just fed me clips from the

::

first two and I was like well

::

Fuck, I might as well watch the movie now.

::

Because I had to see how

::

they got from wearing no

::

clothes to now wearing clothes.

::

To wearing clothes.

::

That's the important dynamic,

::

the thread that we need to follow.

::

I mean, the war?

::

Fuck it, I get it.

::

They made Planet of the Apes.

::

I know what happens.

::

We lose.

::

I get it.

::

This is where this is going.

::

We lose and they're in charge.

::

What I don't get is,

::

why'd you start wearing pants?

::

They won the war, Doug.

::

Clearly.

::

It's all about how you

::

conquer and then become the

::

thing that you conquered.

::

And that, again,

::

in the one that I just watched,

::

Rise of the Planet of the Apes, holy shit,

::

there's a line that Caesar

::

says out loud where he was like,

::

I've learned that we are

::

not really that much different.

::

And I was like, god damn.

::

That was an incredible moment.

::

This is still connected to Ben Affleck.

::

I mean, not Ben Affleck, but Gracious.

::

Are you thinking of Mark Wahlberg?

::

Mark Wahlberg, yeah.

::

I think they're all still

::

connected to that universe, though.

::

I saw a list how you could

::

watch from Dawn all the way

::

to the Charlton Heston ones.

::

Because they're prequels still,

::

technically.

::

These are all prequels still.

::

Before you get to him

::

showing up in the spaceship and then,

::

I guess,

::

traveling back in time or whatever it is,

::

these are all still setups

::

to get to that moment, technically.

::

Yeah,

::

they're all – Which all makes sense

::

because they did not

::

differentiate how many

::

years he was or what year –

::

how many years they had

::

conquered and been in control.

::

So these are still – if

::

Caesar is still there,

::

that's still early.

::

Jeez.

::

Because he's the beginning.

::

And I think he's technically

::

like – in the Charlton Heston one,

::

I think it's still – he's

::

like Caesar 2 or 3 because

::

if I'm not mistaken,

::

I think the big rumor about

::

the one that's set to come

::

out in theaters –

::

I thought it was next week

::

or it's already out.

::

Maybe it was last week.

::

It came out.

::

Is that Caesar's dead?

::

the original one is I don't

::

know and can't confirm that

::

and I just started watching

::

them so please no one take

::

anything we're about to the

::

latest one that came out

::

came out like at the

::

beginning of may so that'll

::

be I'll be going to

::

streaming here you know

::

what then I shot my shot

::

perfectly I shouldn't have

::

to do any additional accidental mistake

::

I mean, the fall guy,

::

the fall guy only had three

::

weekends in theaters.

::

Now you can watch that.

::

And I heard that movie was really good.

::

I've heard great things about it.

::

Y'all,

::

this is the thing that we didn't

::

talk about because we're

::

coming up on time.

::

Oh, something about you.

::

What's that movie?

::

The movie that the two sexy

::

white people kissing.

::

Listen, I didn't actually watch it.

::

I didn't but I kept leaning

::

over because every time

::

these two Glenn Powell and

::

Sidney Sidney Sweeney got

::

to kissing these

::

motherfuckers was kissing

::

for real I think that the

::

director told them y'all

::

need to have sex for real

::

in real life in order to

::

have real chemistry because

::

the way that they was

::

kissing that was ridiculous

::

sorry that was the other

::

movie I couldn't think of

::

anyone but you they got

::

someone's credentials who

::

were exclusively like dirty

::

sites they're like you're

::

gonna do all of those

::

scenes but nothing else

::

Yes.

::

Mac it hard.

::

Kiss it.

::

I don't want Brian to tell me that.

::

Mac it hard.

::

Fucking mac it hard.

::

But that's one thing we

::

didn't talk about was

::

Furiosa at the box office

::

and how everyone is like,

::

another bad box office showing.

::

You guys...

::

Can we not do this?

::

We don't know what's going

::

to happen to the movie is, you know,

::

I'm really nervous about it.

::

It's it's just so it's it's

::

kind of goes back to what

::

we were talking about with Pixar,

::

but in a different way of like.

::

oh the movie we spent 200

::

million dollars on the

::

movie certainly that's the

::

problem then they're like

::

no no that can't be the

::

problem and it's like yeah

::

you're spending like 200

::

million dollars on spinoff

::

prequel movies that like

::

were already kind of a

::

lucky shot at the box

::

office like you can't do that

::

I don't know who is doing the money,

::

but spending $200 million

::

on this movie was maybe not.

::

Maybe that was not the ticket.

::

Just going to put that out there.

::

Brian, you know,

::

that scene in Arrested

::

Development where Tobias is

::

telling his wife that he goes,

::

I think we should try a

::

separation like a like a

::

like a separate marriage.

::

because that might work and

::

she goes oh will that work

::

does that work for your

::

clients he goes oh no like

::

they all end in divorce

::

like it never works but

::

then he stops and he goes

::

but maybe for us that feels

::

what like theaters are

::

doing because they're like

::

hey we could have a really

::

big hit with some obscure

::

hit does it happen a lot no

::

it doesn't but maybe for us

::

it might just it might just hit for us

::

I don't know what to tell these people.

::

At some point in time,

::

there's a reason you can

::

only catch lightning in a bottle once.

::

It doesn't happen a lot.

::

That's why it's such a rare

::

thing to have happen.

::

And you all act like it

::

happens all the time.

::

It goes back to the

::

conversation we continually have here.

::

Where did these mid-budget movies go?

::

Well,

::

they went away so we could make stuff

::

like Furiosa,

::

which I'm sure is a fine movie,

::

by the way.

::

I'm interested enough to see

::

it when it comes to streaming.

::

I just don't want to go to theater for it.

::

I've heard exciting things about it.

::

I really want to see it.

::

And I,

::

but I don't think that they pulled the,

::

I don't think this was

::

something that was a

::

Memorial Day weekend movie necessarily.

::

Like,

::

because the other Mad Max with Tom

::

Hardy was kind of like a surprise.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

It wasn't a for sure thing.

::

So it's just kind of like, yeah,

::

you could bring back like

::

mid budget movies,

::

like stuff that you're OK

::

taking a flyer on and

::

seeing if it does well,

::

rather than making like the thing is,

::

is like when you make

::

everything a blockbuster every weekend,

::

it doesn't matter.

::

Like,

::

it's just it's there's no there's no

::

there's no exclusive event anymore.

::

y'all watch Barbie and

::

Oppenheimer and learned

::

nothing from how to market these things.

::

Like you learned nothing

::

marketed as an event,

::

have a little like of a dress up space,

::

this shit out.

::

But you're right.

::

When I, if everything is special,

::

nothing is like,

::

if there's everything that

::

I have to be at, it doesn't matter.

::

So,

::

right like I just I don't

::

get it like you'd think

::

they would have figured it

::

out by now so anyway I'm

::

ready for the mid budget

::

movie to come back we all

::

are mid budget action

::

movies we're waiting for

::

you gentlemen anything that

::

you all would like to plug this week

::

Hey, folks,

::

check out Color Me Confetti on Etsy.

::

Head over to Etsy.com,

::

type in Color Me Confetti, all one word,

::

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::

of printable party designs

::

designed by your truly's wife,

::

Maggie Roush.

::

Brian's about to take fucking credit.

::

Bold move, Brian.

::

I am not.

::

My wife did everything.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

Make sure you follow the mantra.

::

Never offend it.

::

Always humble.

::

Go stream Soul Tide's song

::

Link out right now.

::

The song name is Link,

::

and the link is in my bio.

::

Follow me on socials.

::

New music coming out soon.

::

Just make sure you follow the mantra,

::

whatever it is.

::

Never offend it.

::

Always humble.

::

Absolutely.

::

I would like to plug this podcast.

::

Hey, if you enjoyed our potpourri episode,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

That is the best way for podcasts.

::

You love to get traction.

::

If you're feeling generous,

::

head over to Patreon dot

::

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::

Sign up for one of our tiers there.

::

We greatly appreciate the

::

financial support as well.

::

Help be a producer for the show.

::

So, yeah, you can check us out there.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have a three-step process to success.

::

Brian,

::

lay us on with that funky first step.

::

Hey, folks.

::

As you can see by my chyron,

::

or maybe you can't because

::

you're listening, it says,

::

can't stop reading Invincible.

::

And I'm just here to say, just read.

::

Because then you'll trip

::

into a story like

::

Invincible by Robert Kirkman.

::

And you just you can't stop reading it.

::

You just you can't stop

::

because it's so good.

::

And I've read I read for

::

four hours last Wednesday night.

::

I just read.

::

I couldn't stop reading.

::

My wife is like, OK,

::

probably going to turn off

::

the lights now.

::

I'm like, OK, I'm going to keep reading.

::

Did you read in the dark?

::

I read it on iPad.

::

I have it digitally.

::

Were the lights off in the room?

::

So, Doug, when you say off...

::

Yes, I read in the dark.

::

When you say off, okay,

::

so they were all off.

::

Yeah, yeah.

::

Look, all I'm saying,

::

don't get lost in a book.

::

It's such a good feeling.

::

It put me in such a good mood.

::

Four hours,

::

it might be a minor exaggeration,

::

but like, no joke, three and a half.

::

Like, I just, that's all I did.

::

I read, I got some tea, kept reading.

::

It was great.

::

Read a book.

::

Absolutely.

::

Marcus,

::

care to lay us down with that second step,

::

sir?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Make sure you drink some water.

::

I mean,

::

I had the pleasure of having to

::

drink water because I felt

::

like I was a little bit

::

closer to the equator in Hawaii.

::

That was a little bit different.

::

So I had to make sure you

::

stay up with your water.

::

Drink your water,

::

even if that water is $8.95 in Hawaii.

::

excuse me take out a

::

mortgage drink it you have

::

to drink it that's just

::

part of the rules all right

::

so just drink the water

::

there you go that's fucking

::

hilarious um last I'm gonna

::

give you is that last step

::

is yo wash your ass we are

::

it's 80 degrees right now

::

and it is almost 9 40 so

::

like y'all we're firmly we

::

were kind of leaning into

::

two shower season maybe you

::

got away with it

::

If you're doing stuff in the

::

morning and then you're

::

going to work and then

::

you're doing more stuff,

::

you might be in two shower territory.

::

Yeah.

::

There is no reason that you

::

can't be taking one shower,

::

washing your ass,

::

not carrying that stank

::

around with you all day.

::

It's hot.

::

Take care of yourself.

::

Take care of your body.

::

Wash your legs.

::

Wash your feet.

::

All of those things are important.

::

So make sure you do those things.

::

Yeah.

::

Go ahead.

::

Wash your ass.

::

Next week, Brian will be on hiatus.

::

Brian is doing some fun traveling.

::

Brian, what are you doing, sir?

::

I'll be headed to Tennessee

::

to see those Smoky Mountains.

::

All right.

::

I'll be out there with family.

::

That's not what I expected you to say.

::

You know, the kids, that's what they said.

::

That was something they wanted to do.

::

They wanted to go to the forest.

::

My one son thinks for camping.

::

We are not.

::

There's black bears there.

::

I'm not doing that.

::

Who wants to sleep on the ground?

::

I'm not doing that.

::

I very much look forward to

::

a classic Films in Black

::

and White episode with Doug and Marcus.

::

Very excited to hear that.

::

This is going to be OG.

::

This is going to be the original.

::

We're going to be doing some fun stuff.

::

So Marcus and I will be back

::

next week with another

::

fantastic episode of Films

::

of Black and White.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

I thought you were going to

::

just play the dogs barking.

::

I thought about it.

::

That was going to be my first thing.

::

We do need that on the soundboard.

::

I like that.

::

That's fantastic.

::

Jet lag, Marcus.

::

Coming in at the last minute.

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