Episode 28
Deadpool and Wolverine Review aka "Angelina Jolene"
SPOILER ALERT! We donned our adamantium claws and red spandex, to see Deadpool and Wolverine, so if you have not seen it yet be careful as we are going to talk all about it!
BUT FIRST, we talk about the classic movie Anaconda. We play a lovely game of Catch that Quotable, with a little bit of a longer quote. Then Marcus helps us break down all of the Marvel announcements at San Diego Comic Con. The gang debates the news and return of RDJ to the MCU.
Finally, we review the the latest installment from Marvel, Deadpool vs Wolverine. We talk about our favorite moments, what this movie did well, and the very few things that we would change.
Follow Us on Social Media: https://linktr.ee/FilmsInBlackandWhite
Remember you can join our patty family, and help produce the show by going to Patreon.com/filmsinblackandwhite
Plugs:
Support the Mantra: Never Offended Always Humble - https://linktr.ee/MarcusJ.Destin
Color Me Confetti Shop - www.etsy.com/shop/colormeconfettishop
Transcript
We'll do it live!
::We'll do it live!
::There we go.
::There we go.
::That's my Bill O'Reilly for ya.
::DJ.
::DJ, spin that shit.
::Alright, let's see what we got.
::... ...
::Black and white, everybody.
::How are you all feeling?
::Y'all, we got a big one.
::As Brian put it,
::we got a monster of an episode.
::A chunker, if you will.
::Because there is a lot to unpack.
::Chunker feels weird.
::Chunker.
::Chunker.
::A big hefty double dose of
::films in black and white for you.
::Sure.
::You didn't like that?
::No.
::Why?
::What was wrong with it?
::I don't like the way you
::said it in my ear.
::Oh, okay, okay.
::Cool, cool, cool.
::But we are going to get into
::Deadpool and Wolverine.
::That's the main attraction, right?
::Everybody got the tickets
::for our Deadpool and Wolverine review.
::But we also have...
::San Diego Comic Con also happened.
::And y'all,
::we got some shit to unpack with that.
::So you might have got your
::ticket for Deadpool Wolverine,
::but you're also getting an
::extra special treat.
::Welcome to the show, boys and ladies.
::But in order to do this right,
::in order to do it well,
::I need to tell you all,
::spoiler alert for Deadman.
::Really quick.
::If you haven't seen it, skip this.
::Run away.
::We're going to spoil a lot of it.
::We will give you one more.
::We'll give you one more spoiler warning,
::but
::yeah it's the first one um
::but in all seriousness and
::all in order to do it well
::in order to do it right I
::am going to kick it on over
::to marcus j destin aka
::blade bitch uh how are you
::feeling sir feeling good
::it's good to be here with
::my guys beginning of the
::week for us if you're
::listening on a wednesday
::this is wednesday ignore
::the movie magic um
::There's a lot of Comic-Con,
::a lot of stuff to consume.
::It was a crazy, crazy,
::crazy nerdy weekend.
::It was a lot.
::And I'm here for all of it.
::I'm here for all of it.
::But I'm just happy to be
::here and share it with my guys, you know?
::Absolutely.
::Yeah, well, we're glad you're here.
::You and I had a very special
::treat for seeing this.
::I'm excited to get into it.
::Absolutely.
::But Brian Roush, a.k.a.
::Dance Pool.
::That's me.
::Brian, how are you feeling, sir?
::Yeah.
::I'm feeling great.
::I'm feeling... It's the
::bye-bye-bye vibes for me.
::That's how I'm feeling.
::This movie... It put me in
::such a good mood.
::And I'm just trying to ride
::that for as long as I can.
::And it's just... It's good.
::I'll talk more about it.
::But man...
::this movie,
::it hit on a lot of things that
::of my childhood, but also like,
::it also felt like it was
::speaking to me as like a
::critic for films in black and white,
::which we'll get into.
::But man, like just this whole weekend,
::just,
::it was like a Marvel Palooza and it
::made me really happy.
::It just, I don't know.
::It just, it feels good.
::The vibe feels different
::about the MCU so that it just,
::it feels good.
::And I'm also super pumped
::that you both got a private
::showing in this movie.
::Like that,
::that has got to be one of the
::high points.
::It was wild.
::Like the fact that it was wild as hell.
::Uh, it was really cool.
::So yeah,
::we'll talk more about that here in
::a second, but that was really,
::really cool.
::Um,
::I too am also disappointed that Brian
::was not announced as Dr.
::Doom this weekend.
::Um, so Brian, uh,
::If you're disappointed,
::we support you in that disappointment.
::When people thought about
::the Doctor Doom castings,
::when people listed it out online,
::they said Ben Mendelsohn,
::the Skrull from Captain Marvel, they said
::Mads Mikkelsen,
::Giancarlo Esposito of Breaking Bad,
::Brian Rauch.
::The name was just in there
::when you think of these actors.
::I agree.
::People are like,
::I got to see this Rauch
::everybody's talking about.
::That handsome motherfucker
::should have been new.
::Yeah.
::Can you believe this Roush?
::That's what happened.
::We weren't there to buzz you
::up around the water cooler.
::That's what happened.
::It's all right.
::It's all right.
::We'll talk more about it.
::And you got to go back a few
::podcasts because at one
::point I got so frustrated
::with Dr. Doom casting news
::that I was like, it's me.
::Just shut up.
::It's me.
::Everybody, everyone be quiet.
::Which also I'm very excited
::to talk about because like
::nobody got this right.
::Nobody had the link.
::Nobody had the exclusive.
::all that BS from like,
::I won't name the sites right now,
::but a lot of the sites that are like,
::we have inside information.
::Like, no, you don't shut up.
::Clearly you didn't stop it.
::I'm so sorry that Brian
::Roush was the impetus for
::all not being got to do
::terrible things that happened.
::oh okay flooded basement
::sucks I've I've been there
::that is not I have to it's
::not fun but I will say to
::anybody going through it
::like it's it's a one day at
::a time situation it's don't
::don't try to take it all at
::once you'll yeah burn
::yourself out so I hope I
::I'm sending good vibes I
::hope we can put on a good
::show for you tonight
::because I want to take at
::least a little bit of that
::a little bit of that away
::at least hopefully we can do that
::At least your third thing is
::Brian not being Dr. Doom.
::Yeah,
::I appreciate that as a rule of three.
::There's two things there.
::I'm really happy that Brian
::not being Dr. Doom is the third thing.
::Thanks, Doug.
::Well, just of the things that could happen,
::there are worse third things.
::I worked hard by doing zero
::effort to get that role, okay?
::Well, and it shows, Brian.
::Yeah, it does.
::Sometimes nepotism should kick in harder,
::even though there's no nepotism.
::Even though Brian's not related to anyone.
::There's no nepotism.
::Yeah, no, yeah.
::But it should just kick in.
::My grandpa, way back when,
::when he worked on the railroad,
::he tried to make a go of it in Hollywood.
::Burned out.
::He came back.
::My dad's dad is from Latveria,
::so I don't understand the problem here.
::What did Remy Lebeau say?
::Remember it.
::That's all they need to do.
::Remember it.
::Who are you?
::Who are you?
::Doug, how are you, Doug?
::Who the fuck?
::Cerrone?
::Paul Cerrone?
::Doug Paul Cerrone.
::How are you doing?
::I'm doing real great because
::I watched Jon Voight clips
::from Anaconda today.
::Oh, man.
::They've made me so happy.
::Angelina Jolie's dad.
::Angelina Jolie's dad did a
::really bad Hispanic accent
::for a whole movie.
::No, he didn't.
::It's Angelina Jolie.
::No, he said Angelina.
::I'm going to run this back
::because sometimes y'all be
::telling me I'm wrong and
::I'll run it back on the pot
::day and I'll be very right sometimes.
::He said Angelina Jolie.
::Angelina Jolie.
::I mean, Angelina.
::So I didn't give it the Joe
::that the French.
::What is it, Brian?
::What's her name?
::Angelina Jolie.
::I felt like he said it right.
::Okay, wait a minute.
::Am I wrong?
::I thought her name was Angelina Jolene.
::Oh, no.
::It's not Jolene.
::No, it's Jolie.
::Is it Jolie?
::J-O-L-E.
::Angelina Jolie.
::I've never said Jolie.
::I don't know why I thought
::that that was it.
::Angelina Jolie.
::Okay, my bad.
::I was wrong.
::What you talking about, Marcus?
::I don't know.
::But anyway,
::this man did a whole-ass
::Hispanic accent for an entire movie.
::And then he looked at people like this.
::Wait,
::his character is supposed to be a
::Latino heritage?
::My AKA is his character's
::name for this whole movie.
::Wow.
::You tell me.
::Does that name sound like
::you think you're in trouble?
::Do you think that's... It's
::been a long time.
::It's like Tropic Thunder.
::It's all over the place.
::With less believability, basically.
::It is shocking.
::I bet Jennifer Lopez had no
::problem with that.
::I heard Ice Cube were like,
::this motherfucker?
::They had to be that way this whole movie.
::Brian,
::I am flabbergasted that you have not
::seen that movie.
::I would have thought of all
::people on this podcast.
::Yeah, that did shock me.
::You would have seen it.
::We got to add it to the you
::haven't seen what list.
::To be honest,
::I don't want to put Brian on Front Street,
::but to hear he hadn't seen
::Sister Egg 1 and 2 and
::Anaconda in the same week.
::Why you got to do me like this?
::That put you on the Doug
::level of I can't believe
::you a little bit.
::My list is like 20 long.
::Brian's was three until this
::weekend where he crossed two of them off.
::Let's not let me escape criticism here.
::Doug is still Doug.
::He's still the highest on
::the motherfucker who should
::see movies as a movie podcaster.
::Yeah, he has not.
::Brian was just more shocking like, oh,
::Brian, come on, man.
::I know.
::Well, I mean, look,
::I grew up in like some of
::the whitest of the whitest suburbs.
::And the only time I was
::exposed to Sister Act was
::like the movie poster in
::the in the video in the video store.
::And I was like,
::that's Whoopi Goldberg as a nun anyway.
::So when I said this,
::because Maggie watched both
::of the Deadpool movies with
::me and it came out,
::I hadn't seen Sister Act.
::She was like after Deadpool,
::like you get that Deadpool one and two.
::But after that.
::sister act and I was like
::that's so maggie held my
::hand and we went on a
::sister act voyage and uh
::yeah honestly great
::wholesome movies like on
::like I just I feel like our
::world is so cynical now
::that like if you made a
::movie like that people
::would be like this is so
::cheesy and like like it's
::way too earnest but like
::man it's just so wholesome
::because like whoopi
::goldberg just wants to help
::these people and she like
::doesn't want to but then
::she does I don't know it's
::nice that's nice and
::there's some singing I love
::singing as we know from our
::in the heights review um
::which go check that out if
::you want a good time yeah I
::hear about antonio bandera
::isn't it I'm so sorry I
::didn't think that'd come up
::You know what?
::I'm more proud of it because
::it was so wild that it's
::like I have no choice but
::to just wear it as a badge of honor.
::Such a wild episode.
::All right.
::Yeah, for sure.
::Also, Brian, to your credit,
::Brittany has not seen Anaconda.
::And when I showed her picture,
::when I showed her clips of
::Jon Voight's voice, she made this face.
::She made the stink face and then she goes,
::turn it off.
::Just get it out of here.
::I can't.
::I'm going to make her watch
::that and say it's because
::you haven't seen it.
::The hatred of Brian picks continue.
::Excellent.
::Excellent.
::Roman Meyer is one of my
::grandma's favorite movies.
::Anaconda or?
::I know, right?
::Yeah.
::Oddly enough, it's Anaconda.
::Also,
::so we have the chat going for those
::that are listening to us on
::our audio adventure.
::You'll hear us reading
::random comments that these
::are our live viewers,
::as you can join us live
::every Monday at 8 p.m.
::when we record on all of our socials,
::including Instagram now.
::And you can join the conversation there.
::You can also join in the
::conversation and get some
::private perks by joining
::our Patreon family, our Patty family.
::I'll give you advice on flooded basements.
::That's when I knew to get a new sump pump.
::So welcome to sump pumps in
::black and white.
::Sump pump it up.
::Home ownership in black and white.
::I'm sorry Roman has had a rough 24 hours.
::That's a rough go, man.
::That's tough, man.
::That is rough.
::Well, gentlemen,
::we have a whole ass podcast to get to.
::We got a lot of ground to cover.
::So I'm going to pivot on us on over,
::excuse me,
::to... Do not get your weekly
::therapy from us.
::Go to a certified therapist, please.
::BetterHelp doesn't sponsor us.
::We cannot help you.
::They are so much better at this.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
::But we are going to play a
::little game we like to play.
::Catch that quotable.
::Gentlemen, give me a minute.
::This quote is a full-on paragraph.
::I'm not kidding.
::I'm going to start reading
::this and then set the timer
::because it's going to be a lot.
::Is everybody ready to give
::me their attention for the
::paragraph that is this quote?
::Hit me!
::Hit me.
::It is strange to think,
::I haven't seen you since a month.
::Thank you.
::i next compete in the city
::of paris I will find it
::empty in the winter if you
::are not there hope guides
::me that is what gets me
::through the day and
::especially the night the
::hope that after you're gone
::from my sight it will not
::be the last time that I
::look upon you okay the only
::detail someone's competing
::in paris this is a rom-com
::this is a love letter what
::rom-coms have a competition in paris
::Y'all, I think I know what this is.
::You have to read it again.
::I don't know what it is.
::I will read it again,
::but I think I know what this is.
::Doug, read me your beautiful poetry.
::It is strange to think I
::haven't seen you since a month.
::I have seen the new moon.
::Oh, I know what this is.
::I have seen sunsets and sunrises.
::Nothing of your beautiful face.
::The pieces of my broken
::heart are so small they
::could be passed through the
::eye of a needle.
::I miss you like the sun misses the flower,
::like the sun misses the
::flower in the depths of winter.
::Instead of beauty to direct its light to,
::the heart hardens like the
::frozen world your absence
::has banished me to.
::I next compete in the city of Paris.
::I will find it empty in the
::winter if you are not there.
::Hope guides me.
::That is what gets me through
::the day and especially the night.
::The hope that after you're
::gone from my sight,
::it will not be the last
::time that I look upon you.
::I know what this is.
::Do you want me to read it in
::a southern accent?
::No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
::no, no.
::I have seen the new moon, but not you.
::I have seen the sunsets and sunrises,
::but nothing of your beautiful face.
::That's disgusting.
::That changed the whole vibe of the quote.
::I'm going to put the timer on.
::Pieces of my broken heart
::are so tall they could be
::passed through the avenue.
::This feels like Tow Mater
::doing this right now.
::Yee-haw!
::Oh, God.
::And Paris works because there's a Paris,
::Georgia.
::Yeah, go ahead.
::Start that timer.
::I already started it when
::you were on your... I don't
::know what this is.
::This is a Knight's Tale, right?
::Oh,
::Maggie's going to be so mad when she
::listens.
::Okay, that's one of her favorite movies.
::This is a knight's tale.
::We're just riding with it?
::No, it's definitely a knight's tale.
::It's definitely a knight's tale.
::Funny enough,
::when you did read it the second time,
::so the first time when Doug read it,
::he was reading it because
::he didn't know what he was reading.
::The second time he read it,
::he read it with more confidence,
::and then I felt it was the...
::it's, it's that it's lovey dovey flowery,
::like that kind of poetry language.
::Yeah.
::Poetry.
::Yeah.
::Paul Bettany writes the
::letter that William sends.
::Yeah.
::That's right.
::Vision writes the letter
::that the Joker sends.
::Yes, that's true.
::Yes, that's right.
::Almost every actor that a kid will know,
::I was thinking about it
::when Brian said that
::trailer of Hugh Jackman.
::um everybody in that trailer
::has been in a comic book
::movie so they will be
::forever associated with oh
::that's who plays amanda
::waller yeah first uh road
::and you know I mean like
::that's what kids will
::always associate people
::with when they go back to
::the classics now yep I
::agree kind of crazy I'm not
::gonna say it from jersey
::shore because I've done
::enough done enough accents
::one accent pod for us yeah yeah
::Well, there we go.
::We got it, y'all.
::How much money did we get now?
::Where are we at?
::I don't know.
::We'll find out when he decides.
::He must have left.
::Unless he's withholding the
::dollar amount until I say
::it like I'm from a Jersey car.
::No, he didn't.
::We're at 90 whole dollars, baby.
::Join us next week where we
::will maybe hit the... I mean,
::I won't be here, so maybe... I mean,
::I didn't provide anything this week.
::Okay.
::What are we going to do?
::I'm not going to be here either.
::I'm boycotting.
::You're boycotting.
::You all don't want a Doug only episode.
::Just turn into Larry King really quickly.
::Why?
::Midnight Suns issue.
::I'll be smoking a cigarette
::for some reason.
::Have you ever thought about
::how the world always gets
::older and older but you don't?
::Oh my god.
::Yep, it's an hour and a half of that.
::So strap in.
::Gentlemen,
::there is a little festival that
::we like to call...
::Comic Con.
::I love that festival.
::Favorite comic festival.
::Favorite comic festival full
::with balloons and clowns and rides.
::But gentlemen,
::we have San Diego Comic Con
::took place over the weekend.
::There were some large announcements.
::So I'm going to actually
::turn it over to Marcus because Marcus,
::I think,
::is the person who probably paid
::the most attention out of
::the three of us.
::And so, hey,
::Marcus, take it away.
::Yeah, Brian, what's up?
::I just want to say, before Marcus goes on,
::we do have someone in the
::chat that says if we could
::get Doug to pre-record two
::videos and interact with them for the pod,
::we'll get a $100 donation.
::90-minute monster and all.
::What the fuck do you think of that?
::Don't attack me like that.
::I don't deserve this bullshit.
::I'm just saying that is
::something in the chat that
::we can decide on at another point.
::I think I'd decide yes.
::Marcus, take it away.
::Live from SDCC coverage.
::Live from the San Diego Comic Festival.
::I did a little bit of paying
::attention because I was
::interested to see what was
::going to happen.
::Marvel was back at Hall H
::for their bigger reveals
::and they really focused on
::what seemed to be three movies,
::four movies.
::Three?
::Three movies.
::I'd say three.
::Three movies at this time.
::Really making some official,
::official announcements.
::Also, DC Comic Con was there,
::so I'm going to just roll
::through some of the things that we saw.
::We got a lot of
::announcements about the Fantastic Four,
::which changed or added to their name.
::It's called Fantastic Four First Steps,
::and that's going to be
::hitting theaters July 25th, 2025.
::I do believe that it's a
::double entendre for them getting their...
::The director already said
::that this movie is not going to pick up.
::It's not going to show them
::going to space and getting their powers.
::It's going to show them like, yeah,
::no origin story for us.
::It's going to show them like
::a little bit already
::established and already
::having their powers and
::going from there a little bit.
::And there was the trailer
::did also leak online.
::So you can go find that the
::footage that they showed at
::the Comic-Con of the Fantastic Four.
::I did watch it and it looks really,
::really good.
::It does look very good.
::It looks good, but like most, I mean,
::I wasn't able to find like a clean cut.
::So if like you're someone that's like,
::I want the official thing.
::This is not for you.
::This is like smuggled,
::smuggled point of view footage.
::And it looked fine from what I saw.
::But I definitely, I mean,
::they've only been filming for a month.
::So I was surprised they had
::this much footage.
::Yeah.
::I mean, they showed a lot in the footage.
::You get to see clear shots,
::as clear as you can from a
::phone to a screen.
::But like clear shots of the Fantastic Four,
::clear shots.
::You get like a shadowy image
::of what the thing kind of
::will look like or resemble a little bit.
::And it's like a lot of fun stuff there.
::So they showed some of that.
::They talked a little bit
::about the cast on stage.
::That was what that was.
::Then they also got into a
::little bit of the Thunderbolts,
::kind of explaining what the
::Thunderbolts story will be.
::sebastian stan really took
::the lead on that um you
::kind of see he is going to
::be the leader of the
::thunderbolt it was
::confirmed that he that
::winter soldier is the
::leader of the thunderbolts
::according to one of the
::trades I i think it was
::variety but I was surprised
::that they made such a
::declaration about that yeah
::yeah it was I and he went
::on to say how like how
::fantastic the cast is like
::he's all like you know like
::they're supposed to but yeah um
::That movie is going to be coming soon.
::I'm trying to see when the
::date was for... I mean,
::Thunderbolts is May.
::May 5th, 2025.
::It's less than a year, which is wild.
::So it says it's supposed to
::be like Yelena is depressed
::and sad and that they all
::basically get...
::since on the same mission
::but they don't know it and
::so then they run into each
::other and then they become
::oh my gosh that sounds like
::so much fun yeah yeah it's
::like hunger games but like
::oops you didn't know you
::were competing oh my gosh
::that sounds like so much fun yeah
::And then one of the biggest
::things that happened that
::night was Robert Downey Jr.
::made a guest appearance.
::Well, first, before we even got there,
::the Russo brothers who
::directed Avengers Endgame
::and Infinity War are back officially.
::So they will be directing
::what is now going to be
::Avengers Doomsday and
::Avengers Secret Wars.
::And for Avengers Doomsday,
::you guessed it's going to
::be about Dr. Doom, I'm guessing,
::or the introduction of Dr. Doom.
::I did see another report
::that said Doomsday will also wrap up
::Kang storyline too as well.
::Interesting.
::And so you'll have those two
::movies directed by the Russo brothers.
::We're just going to open up
::with a shot of Jonathan Majors in jail.
::Look, we wrapped it up.
::Oh my god.
::Anyway.
::Go ahead.
::No, I...
::Honestly,
::I've been wondering how Marvel's
::going to do this, and it makes me laugh,
::because, like,
::I don't think they can be mean about it.
::I just don't feel like
::that's what the MCU could do,
::but also at the same time,
::you gave me this mental picture of, like,
::before they do, like, the big, you know,
::triumphant opening music, it's just like,
::okay, we know.
::It's just Kevin Feige.
::It's like Kevin Feige going, like,
::Yeah, it's just like the deep breath.
::well, there's the movie.
::He doesn't say anything.
::He just goes.
::There's a scroll at the
::bottom that says Kevin
::Feige speaks about Jonathan Majors.
::You can kind of put it together,
::but nothing official.
::It's weird because it's going to say,
::it usually says,
::you'll see this hero again
::in the Avengers Infinity War.
::It doesn't want to say,
::Jonathan Majors is not coming back.
::That's it.
::No one has seen it since.
::But, yeah,
::so then it was announced that the big bad,
::the biggest bad that we've
::all been waiting for,
::who's going to play Dr. Doom,
::is going to be played by
::none other than Robert Downey Jr.,
::who's going to be making
::his triumphant return where he said,
::new mask, same task.
::And so, yeah, he back.
::He won all his awards and
::then bought his ass right back.
::I think the funniest part
::about this is Gwyneth Paltrow,
::who tweeted underneath like
::a post of his making the announcements,
::was like, I don't get it.
::Are you a baddie now?
::Yeah.
::So, yeah, that was pretty cool.
::That's definitely on par for
::Gwyneth Paltrow.
::Yeah,
::she doesn't know what's going on in
::Marvel.
::Avengers Doomsday will come out May 2026.
::Avengers Secret War will
::come out May 2027.
::So that's it for the Avengers stuff,
::and then I can kind of get into...
::Well, why don't we take a pit stop here?
::Because I feel like Rousseau
::is coming back for Secret
::Wars and Doomsday.
::And to clarify,
::Secret Wars is now the
::sixth Avengers movie.
::It was the fifth.
::It's now the sixth.
::And now Doomsday is taking
::that Secret Wars spot,
::if I'm understanding it correctly,
::which was previously Kang's dynasty.
::So...
::The other thing that is
::obviously we have Robert Downey Jr.
::And then Stephen McFeely was
::announced that he will be
::writing Secret Wars and Doomsday.
::Oh, yeah.
::And he wrote Infinity War and Game.
::I mean, he did Captain America Civil War.
::He's done Winter Soldier.
::He's done quite a bit of Marvel.
::Let's just leave it at that.
::So let's take a pit stop.
::How do we feel about all this?
::Uh, I feel... Okay, here's my thing.
::I was kind of defending it last night,
::playing devil's advocate.
::I see why this makes sense
::to bring our DJ back into
::this world and into this role.
::I think that there is very...
::split reviews but I can see
::how this could be very
::successful it's a cheat
::code to go with the Russo
::brothers plus Robert Downey Jr.
::because we saw the successes
::of the Russo brothers and
::Robert Downey Jr.
::the first time and it seems
::like that's what Marvel is
::trying to get back to
::I don't think that they
::needed this if they would
::have just done Fantastic Four, right?
::Yeah.
::You could have found somebody else.
::What I hope,
::and then I'm going to pass the mic,
::is that Robert Downey Jr.
::variant dies.
::He does his thing, does his big work.
::He dies,
::and they introduce a Doom that is
::inspired,
::that thinks he was smarter than
::Tony and Reed,
::and it's the actual Doom variant.
::victor von doom of this
::universe but you gotta you
::gotta have this inspiration
::first that then takes over
::the technology and makes it
::his own like that kind of
::realm that's what I hope
::right doug go ahead no doug
::go um brian no I i haven't
::oh look I'll say this I have an open mind
::There is,
::this is classic Marvel where
::they'll drop a bombshell,
::but there are no context clues.
::It's just like, here's who's playing them.
::Bye.
::Like that's literally all this was.
::There was no like,
::and here's a little bit of the story.
::Or if you're curious,
::read fantastic for six 37.
::Like there was none of that.
::Yeah.
::So because there is no additional context,
::um,
::I have to say that I am a
::little disappointed by the announcement.
::And I'm a little... Not
::because I don't feel like
::Robert Downey Jr.
::is good for the MCU.
::I would say not that I don't
::think the Russo brothers
::are good for the MCU.
::I mean, they obviously have this...
::piece of it,
::like they have this corner
::that's carved out for them
::where they did such a great job.
::My concern is
::What new things can we
::expect them to give us?
::Yeah.
::Good question.
::Great question.
::All I have is questions.
::Did you know he was supposed
::to play Dr. Doom in the
::2005 Fantastic Four?
::Was he really?
::Robert Downey Jr.
::was almost played Dr. Doom in that.
::I can tell you the route
::that I want this to go that
::would make me happy is that
::he is not a Tony variant.
::And that we actually never
::see his face and that this
::is literally he is playing
::a Victor Von Doom,
::but because he can do the voice well,
::he can do the mannerisms well,
::he can capture that sort of
::like gravitas that I would
::expect Victor Von Doom to have.
::If he is a Tony variant,
::then I am with Marcus.
::If they do not kill him off,
::I'm not going to be happy
::with this choice overall.
::Oh, man.
::Okay.
::Wow.
::And he has to die.
::I'm sorry.
::He has to.
::You cannot keep RDJ around
::to just be this ever living.
::Right.
::thing because Tony died
::either way you take away
::from the sacrifice that was
::made if he lives you ruin
::the fact that oh fuck
::that's our hero walking
::around as a villain now and
::if he dies I don't like he
::has to die there is no other option
::I don't know what else there is.
::Yes.
::I honestly, this is a decision that like,
::I, I said this in our chat,
::but this is this type of casting decision,
::this type of idea of casting a,
::one of your most well-known
::protagonists for 10, 10 movies.
::as the major villain this is
::it it's a do or die moment
::for marvel and I'm not
::trying to be like I'm not
::trying to exaggerate or be
::hyperbolic but I think I do
::think um they listen to our
::podcast I'm kidding I do
::think they know I do think they do what i
::I feel like the MCU knows or
::the folks that are involved
::with it know the audience
::feedback and they
::understand that people have
::not really enjoyed the
::multiverse saga because
::it's felt very disconnected.
::And if you're looking for
::something to make a splash
::and like regain some of that viewership,
::I understand why you choose
::Robert Downey Jr.
::Oh, for sure.
::Like, I get it.
::It's a name we all know who are fans,
::but you risk alienating
::this group of people kind
::of like us who are like,
::we've been here the whole time,
::and you're bringing back somebody...
::Who had probably one of the
::most perfect send-offs in a
::movie franchise ever.
::Like a full circle moment.
::He ends his first movie that
::kicks off the whole fucking
::thing with I Am Iron Man.
::And he finishes it right
::before he snaps his fingers
::with the same line.
::Yeah.
::And it's perfect.
::It's perfect.
::And it was sad and and and painful.
::But it was it was perfect.
::So I think you have a huge task.
::Like it's a double edged sword.
::Yes,
::you get all these people that are
::hyped about Robert Downey Jr.,
::myself included.
::But how you make a
::performance and a story to
::make people not bring all
::that baggage to doom.
::It's hard.
::You fight with one hand behind your back.
::Yeah.
::is a gargantuan task and
::look robert downey jr I'm
::not gonna bet against him
::because this man was like
::I'm gonna put the whole mcu
::on my back and I'm gonna
::make it work for 10 years
::and he did and then he said
::I'm done I'm gonna go get
::an oscar and he did and he
::did and so now he's back
::and he's saying he also did
::dr do little in that time
::he had time to talk to
::animals oh yeah for sure
::I'm not going to bet against him.
::No, no, no, no.
::You can't bet against him.
::Go ahead, Marcus.
::No, no, go ahead.
::You can't bet against him.
::but I think we're all one of
::the constant problems of that.
::We've heard time and time
::again from some corners of
::folks who have tried to
::watch pieces of the multiverse saga.
::And that's the best way to
::put it is this is confusing.
::Is that the person I know?
::Is that a different person?
::And my fear,
::my knee-jerk reaction worry is
::what better way than to
::more thoroughly confuse
::those folks than to say,
::here's Robert Downey Jr.
::Because if you see his face,
::I can see it now.
::There are going to be wives
::and girlfriends who go to
::these movies for the first time.
::And they're going to go,
::we watched this yesterday.
::Didn't he die?
::And they're going to be like, no, no, no,
::no, no.
::That's a different person.
::That's a conversation that's coming.
::Yeah.
::That is going to be a post
::dinner pre movie conversation.
::Yes.
::Repeated millions of times.
::That is a driving back from
::a car and you are like, oh man,
::it was so good, babe.
::What did you think about it?
::And she goes, oh yeah, it was fun.
::but I thought Robert Downey Jr.
::died.
::Then they're going to be
::doing dishes a week later.
::And they're going to be like,
::but how can he come back
::and play the same person?
::Because it's not like, that's,
::this is what's happening.
::No, it doesn't happen.
::Okay.
::I'm going to play devil's advocate.
::Oh, great.
::To what though?
::To what?
::I only got little pieces
::because I ain't got much
::because I'm in full
::agreeance with what y'all saying.
::I'm going to say this is not
::the devil's advocate part.
::I like this.
::I understand it.
::business wise strictly
::business wise you're right
::brian is absolutely correct
::this is do or fucking die
::that's it that's the bottom
::line yeah what do you do
::when it's do or fucking die
::you go back to your bread
::and butter baby yeah I mean
::whose hands do you put it
::in to win the championship
::you put it in kobe's hands
::you like that you put it in
::the here's the thing here's
::my advocacy you put it in
::the all right doug wagner
::you are kevin feige
::You need to make a move that
::Marvel has been slipping
::because in the chat, Brian Roush,
::didn't we make the list of
::Phase 5 movies that on
::paper look like they should have hit
::But it really was like
::throwing bullshit at a wall.
::Is that correct?
::That is the vibe of Phase 5.
::It should have worked, and it didn't.
::Yes, it should have worked, but it didn't.
::Now, Doug,
::you know your Phase 5 in the
::midst of all the Disney bullshit,
::Disney fighting Florida,
::Disney fighting Chapstick,
::Disney just doing too
::goddamn much at once.
::you know it's do or die
::everybody's saying the
::public's saying Marvel is
::dead these motherfuckers
::done fell off this is
::before Deadpool and
::Wolverine because these
::talks have been in they've
::been in talks for a while
::they've been in discussions
::to make this comeback for a
::while because the rumors
::were always there we just
::didn't think he was coming
::back literally actually two
::weeks before this
::announcement I dropped it
::in the chat and Brian said
::this is so comic booky I
::don't think that they could
::do it it's true
::Right?
::It seems like a lot.
::I'm going to go down this list.
::Thank you, Brian.
::Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania,
::February 17, 2023.
::Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 3,
::May 5th,
::2023.
::The Marvels, November 10th, 2023.
::Deadpool and Wolverine, July 26th, 2024.
::Captain America Brave New World,
::February 14th, 2025.
::And Thunderbolts, May 2nd, 2025.
::That is your Phase 5.
::With your first three movies,
::the best of the three is
::the one that's most
::disconnected from them all,
::which is Guardians of the Galaxy,
::Volume 3.
::Is everybody with me still?
::I'm with you.
::It's a business decision.
::So I understand a business
::decision of being like, listen,
::like Doug said,
::who hand do you put it in
::when it's time to go to the fucking ring?
::I'm going Braun, Braun.
::Okay?
::I'm going Braun.
::Now, who else's hands do you put it in?
::Braun with a championship ring.
::Yeah.
::With an Oscar.
::He doesn't have many of those.
::He...
::What the fuck?
::What the fuck?
::Oh, wow.
::Why would you toss a hand
::grenade into a situation like this?
::Because I'm here for chaos, baby!
::What the fuck?
::It ain't me you gotta see.
::It's LeBron James.
::Yeah, that's fine.
::He doesn't have a bag of
::weights he can bring.
::Yeah, bring your basketballs.
::He don't.
::He's just gonna dunk on your
::punk ass in your parking
::lot in your driveway.
::What if I don't stand there?
::So you're going to give it
::to LeBron fucking James.
::Oscar winning RDJ who just
::was in fucking I don't know.
::Or his performance in Space Jam 2.
::But you're going to give it to him
::Because now he's got some
::dirt on his name to be
::Oscar winning RDJ coming
::back to Marvel to play Dr. Doom.
::Is it my first choice?
::No,
::but I can see the direction because the
::stories you can tell from that alone.
::First of all, Pedro Pascal.
::And RDJ on screen together.
::Absolutely.
::That's got to happen.
::Spider-Man, Tom Holland,
::facing the face of his mentor,
::his father figure.
::Now a villain and a baddie.
::That's got to happen.
::All of the former Avengers
::having to face the smartest
::fucking man on the planet.
::OK,
::you got to face that now in the face of
::a villain who knows the ins and outs,
::who knows he can use that against you.
::You got to go to dinner that evening like,
::oh, yeah,
::I hate to punch Tony in the face.
::But what else are we going to do?
::This motherfucker is causing
::like wreaking havoc.
::I get it.
::I get the business decision.
::I see where you could go with the stories.
::Is it my favorite?
::No.
::Go ahead, Doug.
::I have nothing.
::It's I you're not I mean,
::you're not wrong.
::I see the business decision.
::And I guess I shouldn't be
::surprised that Disney's
::making a financial choice
::because Disney is still Disney.
::Disney's still dizzy.
::They still need to.
::There has still been increased pressure,
::especially since new Bob
::took over for all of this
::to sort of the days of
::putting it out fast,
::the days of doing it.
::quickly without any care.
::Like all of that are the days gone by.
::Also not surprising that we
::see Robert Downey Jr.
::Back in the saddle with a
::Bob Iger in charge.
::Great point.
::Surprising there.
::So this is, this is everybody.
::This is, this is every,
::this is the Rolling Stones.
::Playing their classic hits.
::I have another point.
::Yes.
::To that point.
::What did Bob Iger say?
::There was going to be a lot
::more of when it came to
::movies within Disney.
::All sequels, baby.
::Sequels and spin-offs.
::So what is this then?
::What do you call this?
::This is a glorified fucking sequel.
::I mean, it's a sequel performance.
::Is that what you said?
::It's a fucking encore
::because Bob Iger wants to
::make fucking money.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I don't, I don't disagree.
::And I feel like this is, it's so,
::it's so safe.
::It's so safe.
::And I'm not, I don't know.
::I'm willing to give it a chance,
::but I also understand the
::criticism that I'm reading,
::especially since we know Giancarlo,
::or Giancarlo,
::Giancarlo Esposito.
::Thank you.
::I was struggling with that.
::We know he met with Marvel
::and his team said that he
::met about Dr. Doom.
::Ben Mendelsohn said that he
::would give his teeth to play Dr. Doom.
::Those were the two confirmed
::in interviews that we knew
::had interest and at least
::had a conversation with Marvel.
::Everything else was just
::totally up in the air.
::So like, I just, I guess I want to,
::the thing that I'm curious about,
::obviously, RDJ is a business decision.
::But how did they get there?
::And I can't wait for that book.
::That's what I want to know.
::Yeah.
::Like that won't come out for
::another 10 years.
::We're not going to know that
::until the movie comes out.
::Who talked to each other first?
::Was it RDJ and the Russo
::brothers or was it?
::I mean,
::what did Kevin Feige see that he's like,
::we got to call him.
::We got to call Tony.
::Like, right.
::Like, what did he see?
::What did he see on the board
::that he's like, we got to get RDJ back.
::Like, was it a, was it an audition?
::Was it a certain vibe?
::Was it a creative decision?
::Cause like something
::happened and it's very hard
::for me to believe they
::didn't have enough talent.
::Cause I bet a ton of people
::would have loved a doctor
::that I would have loved to see.
::Try it.
::Yeah.
::But if this is the end of your, all right,
::this is me, my theory.
::And I know we got to move on.
::This is the end of this
::version and iteration of
::the MCU before the mutants
::come and take over everything.
::Right.
::Good point.
::Do you want to start a new story, I guess,
::with this new actor of a
::familiar character?
::Or is it better to just do
::somebody you know?
::Because we've already introduced variants.
::We know that they exist.
::We said this a long time ago.
::Variants are a cop-out.
::Whenever I'm ready to recast,
::whenever I'm ready to pull
::anybody else that I fucking
::want to in because I can...
::Marvel was the smartest by
::introducing a variant and
::everybody was like, yep.
::Just like they did with nanotech.
::Yep.
::Everybody was, they,
::nobody questioned when the
::actual costumes,
::you pull a mask over and
::nobody got to touch any,
::like you had to pull it over.
::Nobody said nothing.
::When in infinity war, that motherfucker,
::Tony touched his chest and
::everything had to right back.
::You know what I mean?
::I feel like this is the end
::of this certain iteration
::of this 616 timeline.
::And then when you get to
::Secret Wars and Tony and
::this Doctor Doom variant
::style is the one that is
::the final toe-to-toe
::whatever the fuck it is.
::And they reboot this motherfucker.
::Yeah.
::I think you don't want to do
::nothing with nobody new.
::You can introduce a new doom
::on this earth because at a later point,
::but I think that's maybe
::that's what they saw.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::That's right.
::You asked me a pointed question.
::Then we'll move on.
::The question you asked was
::if I'm Kevin Feige,
::what decision am I making differently?
::And I can tell you the chief among them,
::the decision I'm making differently.
::which is I am not treating
::Dr. Doom like it was a
::rushed homework assignment
::that I woke up on Monday
::morning and forgot about
::when I had a whole fucking
::weekend to figure it out.
::I don't think that's fair, Doug,
::and I don't think that's fair,
::and I don't think that's true.
::Let me tell you why it's not
::fair and it's not true.
::Because you're forgetting.
::Okay, I would agree with you.
::I'm an elephant.
::On a homeboy level, I agree with you.
::OK,
::on a we work in systems and I hate to
::do that.
::There are more people that
::are above you that Kevin
::Feige ain't in all control
::as we think he is.
::So when the big,
::big dog says we need to
::make money and it better
::knock it out the park.
::What are you going to do?
::I'm going to my bread and fucking butter.
::And sometimes I don't have a
::say so in that.
::Bob Iger's the one that said
::we're doing more sequels
::and I thoroughly believe he
::meant that shit by do what you know.
::With his whole chest.
::Do what you know.
::We need to make it out of
::the park and do what you know.
::Here's the reason why I push back on that.
::It's because we know the process.
::We know because there was a
::whole ass book written about it.
::We know the process where
::they sit there and they
::don't plan out the next two.
::They plan them in phases.
::Right.
::and so what I what I am
::wondering is there are
::times where we have talked
::about it on this podcast
::where we have said this is
::a great chance for you to
::just introduce that idea
::and not to like pivot us
::into the movie we're going
::to talk about we thought it
::was possible in Deadpool
::and Wolverine we were like
::maybe there are from the
::footage we saw so there's a
::part of me that's like you
::could have teased this guy
::being there somewhere right
::And you didn't?
::Not with Jonathan Majors.
::I'm sorry.
::And you're right.
::You're absolutely right.
::That is the stick in our bicycle tires.
::It throws everybody off the ride.
::It is what it is.
::But that's kind of where I go,
::what would I have done differently?
::I don't know.
::I guess...
::laid the foundation a little bit more,
::but that's,
::that's if all things are perfect.
::If I had,
::and that's with hindsight being 2020,
::I would have been like,
::I would have laid the
::foundation a bit more
::because then we could maybe
::see where you're going
::because this is an abrupt announcement.
::Like there are a lot of
::people are excited about it.
::There are some people who
::are scratching their heads.
::And there are some folks who are like,
::what the fuck?
::This is such a big thing.
::Let's be honest.
::It's a business decision and a Band-Aid.
::Because Jonathan Majors,
::you had to fix the Kang situation.
::Yes.
::Because your Avengers movie
::was called Avengers Kang Dynasty.
::It was an entire movie about fucking Kang,
::not Doom.
::And I don't think Doom was
::supposed to come until...
::maybe the second Fantastic
::Four film or Phase Six later on.
::They had to expedite shit
::and this was the band-aid of being like,
::hey, hey, look at this.
::You see that?
::Yeah.
::Also,
::the fact that it's not in a
::post-credits tease or it's
::not in a cameo reveal,
::I think it's also something
::to take note of here.
::They want people to know
::this is coming and you
::don't even have to go see a movie.
::It's nothing like the Thanos reveal.
::right and I feel like that's
::also really telling and the
::other the last thing I
::think I'll say on this is
::like what when I used to
::watch professional
::wrestling um this is going
::somewhere I promise no no
::uh yeah like basically if
::there's a match canceled
::for any reason and you
::gotta you gotta book a new
::match you that new match
::has to have better talent right
::Yes, it has on both sides.
::Yes.
::Regardless of what the previous match was,
::no matter how good it was,
::the new match has to have
::better talent because you
::need to have people forget
::what you were going to go
::see and be more hyped about
::what they're going to see
::that they don't really care
::that the match got canceled.
::They get to see this.
::And I feel like that is part
::of the philosophy here,
::because I'll be honest,
::it worked on me in the
::moment of just like, I don't care.
::I don't care about Kang.
::I don't care about majors.
::I like RDJ is going to be Dr. Doom.
::Like that's that's wild.
::Yeah.
::So it worked at least on me in the moment.
::We'll see how it lasts and
::how general audiences are OK with it.
::Like I'm waiting for my mom
::to be super confused.
::She's going to hear RDJ is coming back,
::but she does not follow the MCU at all.
::But she sees the movies here and there.
::I'm waiting for her to be like,
::but he's Iron Man.
::So fascinated to see how
::this goes with general.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::And, and who knows,
::maybe this is their announcement, but,
::telling us what we expect to
::see when fantastic four
::does come out next year.
::Like this is them leaving,
::leaving Reese's pieces to
::get us to follow them to
::where they want us to go.
::I mean, that's a great point.
::Yeah.
::It's to me.
::Yep.
::All right.
::Um,
::we do need to get into Deadpool and
::Wolverine.
::There are a lot more
::announcements from San Diego comic-con,
::um,
::Marcus and I can break them down next
::week a bit more.
::Um, since that's like a news episode,
::some of the DC stuff specifically.
::So I don't want to, those who are DC fans,
::I don't want to like short
::change you cause there's a
::lot to unpack there,
::but we do have a whole ass
::movie to get to.
::So this is your second spoiler warning.
::We are about to spoil the
::fuck out of this.
::So if you have not seen
::Deadpool and Wolverine,
::this is a great place to
::pause and come back at a later date.
::Gentlemen,
::who would like to give us their
::barbershop synopsis for
::Deadpool and Wolverine?
::Brian, you want to?
::Yeah, I got it.
::You know what?
::Sure.
::I'll take my hand.
::All right.
::What had happened was that
::Deadpool is now he doesn't
::know what to do with his life.
::He wants to matter.
::And that's one of the main
::things going on in this movie is
::and uh all of a sudden one
::day the tva picks him up
::and they say hey we we need
::your help we need your help
::to to get you back in the
::main in the main universe
::but the only thing it's
::going to cost you is all of
::your friends and family
::deadpool does not like that
::so he then proceeds to
::fight back against the tva
::where he then ends up in
::the void essentially where
::aliath is where
::where all the rejects are,
::all rejects you could ever think of,
::whether it's from Fox,
::whether it's maybe it
::wasn't even made yet.
::Any characters you can
::imagine are in the void and
::Wolverine shows up
::Because Deadpool is trying
::to get Wolverine back to
::his timeline because he's
::technically an anchor being,
::which might sound similar
::to a Nexus being for any of
::our comic readers.
::That's why Deadpool's universe is dying.
::His Wolverine died.
::And because of that,
::his universe will eventually collapse.
::So this movie is then spent
::trying to get Deadpool and
::Wolverine back to their home universe.
::And I'm going to say some hijinks ensue.
::That's a great job.
::You didn't bury the lead.
::It was perfect.
::Yeah, so well done.
::That was great, Brian.
::Good job.
::Thanks.
::Brian,
::you have the box office off the top
::of your head, right?
::And Brian,
::can you also pull those numbers
::of who was closest?
::Yeah,
::we're going to have to have a chat
::because, yeah, let's see here.
::Cause I was looking at it.
::So I'm going to explain this
::while Brian's looking that up.
::So, so number one,
::shout out to the Vermilion theater,
::our local town.
::They offered Doug and I, Brian too,
::if he was here, but Doug and I got to see,
::have a private showing with
::the crew of the Vermilion theater,
::the coyote twin right here.
::um of Deadpool and the
::Wolverine on Wednesday so
::we were able to go in um
::literally it was just us
::and and the crew and we got
::to you know get popcorn
::like we normally would sit
::in our in our infamous
::seats that we're always
::sitting in um and really
::just laugh as loud as we
::wanted to and they knew who
::we were like they know who
::we are we you know we work
::with them we have some
::exciting stuff coming yeah
::I know right thank god
::because any other theater
::would have kicked our asses out
::But they know we've got some
::fun stuff planned with them
::of an upcoming festival
::we're going to be talking
::about here on the podcast, too,
::and things like that,
::things of that nature.
::Hopefully,
::soon we've got to write about Brian.
::But we were able to watch the movie,
::and it was like a little late midday,
::late night showing.
::We got out a little bit late,
::and it was such a good time.
::So just shout out to Shannon
::Cole and that entire team
::for just welcoming us with
::open arms and rolling out
::the red carpet for us.
::yeah absolutely um brian got
::that number and then I'll
::do cast I sure do the total
::domestically for deadpool
::was 211 million if you
::listen to the episode last
::week we did a secret
::envelope uh I wagered it
::would make 160 million doug
::wagered 286 million and
::marcus wagered 290 million oh
::So none of us were like super duper close.
::The closest was me,
::but I was under by like quite a bit.
::Dog was almost there with 286.
::So, so yeah, we were kind of,
::we were kind of there.
::We had a range.
::we were in the neighborhood
::like we weren't necessarily
::at the house but we were in
::the neighborhood so I'll
::give it to us yeah um and
::it made 444 million
::worldwide so this is the
::highest r-rated opening of
::all time domestic and yeah jesus
::So let's run down cast.
::So Ryan Reynolds plays Wade Wilson.
::Hugh Jackman plays Logan Wolverine.
::Emma Corrin plays Cassandra Nova.
::Matthew McFadden plays Mr. Paradox.
::Daphne Keene reprises her
::role as Laura or X-23.
::Jon Favreau is Happy Hogan.
::Morena Baccarin plays Vanessa.
::Rob Delaney plays Peter.
::Leslie Uggams plays Blind Al.
::Jennifer Gardner is in this as Elektra.
::Wesley Snipes is in this as Blade.
::Channing Tatum comes in this as Gambit.
::Chris Evans plays Johnny Storm.
::Henry Cavill plays the Cavalry.
::Is that what they have him listed as?
::Yes.
::Yes.
::Wunni Mosaku plays B-15.
::Aaron Stanford comes back and plays Pyro.
::Tyler Main plays Sabretooth.
::Karen Soni plays Dolpinder.
::Brianna Hildebrand plays
::Negasonic Teenage Warhead.
::Shilohi Kutsana plays Yukio.
::Stefan Kapek plays Colossus.
::Randall Reeder plays Buck.
::Louis Tan plays Shatterstar.
::Who else is in this?
::That's pretty much it.
::Rob McElhaney plays a TVA soldier.
::That's fun.
::Peggy the dog plays dog pool.
::Blake Lively does the voice
::for Lady Deadpool.
::Nathan Fillion does the
::voice for head pool.
::Matthew McConaughey played cowboy pool.
::No fucking way.
::He's listed in this.
::Paul Mullen,
::a forward for the Welsh football team,
::Wrexham AFC, plays Welsh pool.
::That's amazing.
::And so, yeah, that's a cast.
::So there you go.
::And there are some other people in there,
::too, where there are characters you see,
::but they're not officially credited,
::like Lady Deathstrike was in there.
::Not as if there was no
::official credit because
::there were no speaking lines.
::It was more of a cameo type of deal.
::Gentlemen,
::thoughts on Deadpool and Wolverine?
::I mean, where do you want to start?
::I think if you have a movie,
::and we don't typically rate it,
::I would say a 9 out of 10.
::Easy.
::Easy 9 out of 10.
::this okay this movie is a
::lot of things and I also
::feel like it was hyped as a
::certain thing and I went
::into this movie with the
::expectation that it was
::gonna like do some
::janitorial work on the MCU
::and it didn't and I am
::actually very happy about
::that this movie overall
::like yeah there's an
::emotional core to it but
::I'm gonna be honest with
::you it's probably the least
::involved emotional core of
::any Deadpool movie like
::He feels like he wants to matter.
::We go through the most basic
::steps with that.
::But then the TVA comes and
::like everything goes to hell.
::And that's fine.
::I think the thing that this
::movie does so well, though,
::is acknowledging how much
::fans love this stuff.
::And I feel like that matters.
::And it also acknowledges
::this like super messy time.
::that Fox had trying to make
::superhero movies.
::The good, the bad, the ugly,
::and the ones that never got made.
::And I wasn't expecting a movie like that.
::And by the end of it, it just felt like...
::I felt very seen as a comic
::book fan because it just, it was like,
::great.
::Other people remember that
::like these movies,
::these movies mattered a
::while ago before the MCU,
::like the MCU owes its creation.
::I think in my opinion to a
::lot of what Fox did.
::And it was nice to see that
::almost as like a love
::letter and a thank you
::letter to those movies in a
::Deadpool movie.
::And it was different than what I expected,
::but I really enjoyed myself.
::yeah well said I think this
::movie this movie did I mean
::you're right brian this
::movie could have been like
::he's running around taking
::care of loose ends and it's
::really he's working for
::like he's working for
::disney in the most like
::fourth wall break meadow
::way it could have been
::But what I loved about this
::is that this movie treated
::so many of those characters
::that we grew up with with
::such a level of reverence
::and care and tried to bring
::them and lift them up as
::much as possible that I
::really was really happy
::with how they did it.
::I also think that this is...
::This was a movie that I
::don't think this was a
::movie that necessarily
::Disney wanted to make.
::I think this was a movie that I agree.
::Ryan Reynolds and Hugh
::Jackman talked Kevin into and said,
::we can do and we can do and levy.
::We can do something really special here.
::Yes.
::And there was enough of a
::thread and enough of
::something going on that they were like,
::yeah, go for it.
::Because this movie is.
::vulgar which checks a box
::for me this movie is
::violent like it is like
::this movie is a lot of
::things there are some
::parents that are about to
::bring their kids to a
::Marvel movie over the
::course of the next two
::weeks and they are gonna be
::like driving home having to
::do a lot of explaining um
::and so I was just really
::pleased with like how they
::executed this because for
::all intents and purpose
::this could have gone off
::the rails like this could
::have like been yeah all
::over the place but man it
::was it was really really
::well done and I a tip of
::the hat to everybody
::involved because I think
::they they really they
::pulled it off and they nailed it so yeah
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I think I will add one more
::V just because I'm a man of alliteration.
::But it was it was vulgar.
::It was violent,
::but it was also vulnerable
::because you have certain
::scenes in there where it allows.
::Thank you.
::It allows you to analyze
::these characters in all of
::the ways that I think people,
::including myself, were concerned.
::it was so meta in itself.
::It like in its layers of like,
::how would you,
::how could they bring back
::Wolverine when he had a perfect ending,
::kind of the same
::conversation we just had
::about RDJ a little bit.
::Right.
::Of how can you bring back
::this character that meant so much to us?
::Oh, easy.
::He was the anchor for this universe and no,
::he's really dead.
::Like he's gone.
::Right.
::And this person is the opposite of that.
::Oh, okay.
::I see why they picked RDJ.
::I see why they did it.
::I think they picked it
::because they saw it work in this movie.
::Because Kevin Feige did have
::an interview about bringing
::back older characters only
::if you can do it right.
::And he said that.
::And he said,
::after seeing this movie and
::what they did with Hugh Jackman,
::They did it right,
::which I am in full agreeance with.
::I like how you tell this new story of like,
::no,
::this isn't the Wolverine we know and
::love this.
::Excuse me.
::This Wolverine went and
::killed a bunch of humans
::because the humans came to
::their crib and killed all
::of the all of the X-Men and
::our famous X-Men that we know and love.
::And he went on a fucking
::rampage and killed them all.
::Didn't stop the good,
::the bad and the ugly.
::That's what he said.
::Right.
::And he had to come with grips with that.
::And he is known as the worst
::version of the worst
::Wolverine that there is in
::all of the rain and all the multiverse.
::And so I just think that, you know,
::it allows you to also
::analyze Deadpool to that extent, too,
::because you have to have
::the character like
::Wolverine to set up this
::goofy merch with a mouth
::that has to face some serious shit.
::And then you have Hugh,
::who is playing this Wolverine,
::who's a failure,
::who has to face this goofy
::motherfucker that won't shut the fuck up.
::It's like two walls, like, you know,
::two unstoppable forces
::running into each other.
::And they're and they're
::perfect foils for each other.
::And I think I want to do
::linger on the moment of
::like you using this
::Deadpool lens on RDJ of like,
::how is this going to work?
::And like literally Hugh Jackman,
::Hugh Jackman set up this
::huge challenge for himself
::to differentiate from the
::Logan we knew for like 10 movies,
::nine movies.
::And he did it like and he
::did it with such ferocity as well.
::And he's such a good actor to do that.
::Like,
::I just need to commend him because...
::there's this point and we
::talked a little bit about it in the chat,
::but there's this moment in
::the car where he just like
::goes in on Deadpool,
::tells him how terrible he is.
::He can't manage any relationships.
::Of course, he's not going to matter.
::He doesn't take anything seriously.
::And the way that he delivers
::that material is, is gut wrenching.
::And if I was in that passenger seat,
::I wouldn't have fought Hugh Jackman.
::I just would have like cried
::and just crawled out of the
::car while it was moving.
::Um,
::Um,
::it was phenomenally done and Hugh
::Jackman brought that.
::He brought all of that to
::this movie when you thought,
::what else are we going to
::do with Wolverine?
::Well,
::what if Wolverine like wasn't around
::when all the X-Men died?
::Cause he got blackout drunk.
::Yeah.
::I want to know that Wolverine story.
::And it, it, it was, I mean,
::that was a great like yin
::to the Deadpool Yang of
::that emotional core,
::which I think it works.
::It connects with me.
::I think the other thing that
::this movie did well is it
::shone a light on questions
::that I think comic book fans,
::it sought to answer
::questions that we had kind
::of forgotten about and
::didn't know we needed.
::And the best example of that is, well,
::how come we never saw
::Wolverine in his yellow suit?
::And it is such a perfect answer.
::that I didn't even question it.
::It was just like a, oh, well,
::they always wanted me to wear it,
::but I didn't want to make
::it seem like I was, if I wore it,
::I wanted to seem like I was too cool.
::And now I wear it because
::I'm trying to pay something
::back and trying to make up
::for my mistake and be the
::hero they would have wanted me to be.
::Like that was such a well
::done and to Marcus,
::a vulnerable answer that I went, okay,
::yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
::So, yeah, there's just a lot of this.
::It worked.
::It's incredibly depressing
::to think that he never
::actually wore it in his
::universe with that team.
::And then it's literally the
::only thing he carries
::around with him because it
::reminds him of the team.
::It's basically this walking
::scarlet letter of his entire failure,
::which I didn't expect in a
::Deadpool movie.
::No, not at all.
::Not at all.
::And I think, you know,
::one of the other words as we go into,
::like, one of my next favorite pieces,
::I think you picked the
::right... In a movie filled with cameos,
::number one was not
::expecting fucking Chris
::Evans to pop up and have as
::many speaking parts as he did.
::He had a lot of lines.
::And even so much Deadpool
::joked about it was like,
::he's killing the fucking budget.
::You know what I mean?
::And so...
::Number one, you picked really good cameos.
::And Blade says something
::when he's talking to
::Elektra about them going to
::go stand up against, what's her name?
::Cassandra.
::Cassandra Nova.
::I'm thinking Casanova.
::Casanova.
::So I feel like they have
::this moment where they're
::talking about legacy.
::And all of this in the end,
::you don't get this until the end montage,
::the video montage while the
::credits are rolling about
::how all of this is about legacy.
::You poke as much fun as Fox
::as you want to.
::And Ryan Reynolds is really good at it.
::But in the in the base of it all,
::there is something about an
::homage and legacy.
::And like all of these people we see now,
::they paved the way and were
::trailblazers for.
::To the comic book movies
::that we get today.
::We always talk about Blade
::being the one that saved
::the MCU because the first
::Blade movie was so fucking successful.
::When they were about to sell
::everything off,
::it kickstarted what the MCU
::would be today.
::And you don't get that
::unless you get the Fox movies,
::unless you get that version of Blade,
::etc., etc., etc., etc.
::And I feel like this is an
::important point that Kevin Feige,
::one of his first
::professional jobs in movies
::was associate producer on
::the first X-Men movie.
::And literally the only thing
::he was there to do was
::provide knowledge of the
::Marvel Universe because the
::production company was like,
::we don't know what this X-Men thing is.
::Can you just go there and
::make sure everything's going fine?
::Wow.
::And because Kevin Feige had
::that experience on the X-Men set,
::it sets off a domino effect
::for like the next 20 years.
::That's cool.
::And that's why I think this
::stuff is also really
::important because he was there.
::He was there when like the
::first X-Men came out,
::which is what kicked off a lot of this.
::Yeah.
::Now you can say what you, that's really,
::Brian, that's a fucking, where else?
::This is the only podcast you
::can get some shit out of.
::Here's the other thing, right?
::I know that we had that
::conversation earlier once again about RDJ,
::but these two things are
::tied in together.
::Yes, Kevin Feige is a part of a system.
::Yes,
::he's a part of responding to people
::that are higher than him.
::I do think Kevin Feige has
::as much say-so as he would
::like in the things that he
::creates because he's done
::it for over 10 years when
::it comes to developing this universe.
::He is somebody who cares
::about... You have to care
::so much that you allow Ryan
::Reynolds and this Deadpool
::character to come in and introduce...
::this naughty world to this
::clean Disney clean cut
::thing that isn't really
::connected to anything.
::It brings in certain pieces
::so that it all kind of makes sense.
::The TVA was perfect.
::Dr. Strange's like ring with
::the reality stone and the,
::and the time stone attached to it,
::like smart as hell,
::but to allow somebody to
::come in and just say, yeah,
::do your thing.
::As long as it ties into this
::and it doesn't really need
::to lead into the next thing.
::This is just a movie about friendship.
::That's really what it was.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::I mean,
::I think it's a movie about these
::two finding that they're
::way more similar than they think.
::And then also realizing like, you don't,
::you,
::you can matter without doing these
::big things.
::You can matter by just
::inviting someone to have
::pizza at your apartment.
::Right.
::Like,
::I feel like that was something else
::this movie did.
::Maybe it wasn't as eloquent
::in its delivery,
::but I also feel like that
::was a message that resonated with me.
::Yeah.
::Um,
::I want to talk a little bit
::about the cameos,
::because I think one thing
::that can happen in this
::movie really easily is I
::feel like the cameos can
::sort of start eating away
::at your story a little bit.
::And the movie becomes more
::about the cameo than it
::does necessarily about.
::the um that the plot and I
::think what this movie did
::really well is it made
::those fit in a way in which
::that makes sense 100 they
::made it fit in a way in
::which that works like so so
::well that I i was just
::really happy with it so I i i
::I want to run down all of
::the different folks that are in this.
::So first you get a bunch of
::different comic book,
::accurate versions of
::Wolverine from various different pieces,
::which I thought were awesome.
::I thought that was so much fun.
::yeah the short king
::wolverine is in there now
::wolverine is officially
::listed on his like
::membership of the avengers
::at being 5 10 and so he was
::much shorter in this
::obviously but that was sort
::of like the dig at his
::actual height um that's
::listed in the comic books
::by the way nope not at all um
::you got patch playing cards
::and what we can only assume is magical.
::Um, we got the, we got the,
::we got the Brown suit from
::when he's facing the Hulk,
::even a shot of the Hulk
::from like within his claws.
::And then also the other way, um,
::you got the Wolverine from
::the age of apocalypse storyline,
::which I thought was fucking
::really good on screen.
::Oh my God.
::That looks really good.
::Yeah.
::um and then you got like the
::most one of the most iconic
::versions of wolverine which
::is him crucified on like a
::giant x um and just the
::skivvies which was
::incredible yeah a lot and
::then last but not least you
::got henry cavill as
::wolverine which I thought
::marcus was gonna like lose
::his shit over like it
::happened so quick it like
::took him a minute
::Because I like the way that
::they introduced him.
::It was the first shot of him
::was just from behind.
::And I was like, oh, who is that?
::And they moved on.
::And I was like, oh,
::they're not going to go back to that.
::Like, that feels weird.
::Then I realized how they
::were setting up the shots.
::And then they did go back.
::And it shocked the fuck out of me.
::me too honestly I and that
::feels like such an inside
::joke because like I'm
::really curious to talk to
::people at work about this
::because they're more like
::folks who probably don't
::follow casting news like we
::do like we knew that that
::was rumored for a while so
::I would be so curious to be
::like oh Henry Cavill what's
::he doing here like oh no
::people wanted and then the
::John Krasinski one too like
::yeah yeah yeah and then the
::line will treat you so much
::better than those fellows
::across the street yeah
::Yeah, I love that.
::But here's the other thing
::that I don't know if
::anybody noticed that Henry Cavill did,
::but he did his arm loading,
::arm charge thing when he did his claws.
::I missed that.
::I saw that in a review, but I was like,
::oh.
::Like from Mission Impossible,
::he did the arm thing.
::Well, yeah, you got to load your arms.
::Yeah, like the arm.
::Yeah, you got to load them.
::Yeah.
::Other sort of cameos that we had.
::Blade.
::Blade was in this.
::Played by original Wesley Snipes.
::And I saw an interview,
::and it was actually Ryan
::Reynolds that asked him to do it.
::And the only reason why he
::agreed was he agreed and he said, well,
::I mean,
::if you can actually get them to
::agree to it,
::I don't think that's going to happen.
::But if you can get them to agree to it,
::then yeah, that's fine.
::I wonder what happened that made him...
::I don't know what,
::why he thought that they
::wouldn't bring him back.
::Like their exit must've been bad.
::In the interview that he said,
::he said it was that because they had,
::he was like,
::I don't know if they want to
::go backwards and they
::already have Marshala Ali.
::Do they really want to
::create this level of
::confusion since they
::already have a new blade?
::And so that was what,
::that was the short like
::interview that I saw that
::where he sort of answered that question,
::but you're right.
::It does make me wonder.
::I mean,
::so there's also been all these
::rumors about Blade Trinity,
::which I someone write a book, please.
::Or if there is a book,
::feel free to comment or yell at me.
::Because the main rumors were
::that basically Blade
::Trinity was trying to be
::this spinoff for Jessica
::Biel and Ryan Reynolds.
::And then Wesley Snipes was like, no,
::don't do that.
::And then they were like, too bad.
::And so he tried to be as
::difficult as possible.
::And that's where we get the
::story of him not opening his eyes.
::And they have to blue screen him.
::They have to CGI his eyes
::opening because he was like
::trying to protest what they
::were trying to do to this movie.
::So like...
::that I feel like it was the
::idea of like wesley snipes
::and box marvel did not
::leave on the best terms so
::I'm wondering if maybe
::that's where some of that
::came from there were also
::rumors that like ryan
::reynolds and wesley snipes
::didn't get along I don't
::think that's the case at
::this point it didn't seem
::like it now I could see
::that happening back then
::young stood and you know I get it
::So much so that Deadpool
::makes a line in the movie,
::which I thought was outstanding,
::where he goes,
::and we didn't necessarily
::get along the last time.
::So last time we worked together,
::which I thought was incredible.
::I lost my,
::I just want to just put in the preference,
::you know, put in perspective.
::So when they do that whole
::shot with the big cameo
::scene with all the big dogs, right?
::And we go and we see Wanda.
::We see the Wanda on the wall.
::What's that about?
::What's that about?
::It got to mean something
::because nothing mean nothing.
::So like we walk down and
::this month they doing all
::the introduction.
::First of all, Elektra's there.
::Okay.
::Come in.
::spinning, you know what I mean?
::She still looks good, too.
::Elektra walks in.
::They make a little Daredevil joke.
::Daredevil's dead?
::Oh, lord!
::She's like, it's not that big of a deal.
::It's fine.
::Gambit walks in.
::Motherfucking Channing Tatum
::in his actual Gambit outfit,
::which he looks kind of crazy in.
::I'm not gonna lie.
::It's always the head thing
::for Gambit that never
::translates to live action.
::He's also big.
::Yeah.
::Well, that too.
::It's also his accent, you guys.
::I don't want to solidify
::myself as the accent expert.
::Jesus Christ.
::But I feel like if you give
::me two months with a dialect coach,
::I can do much better than Channing Tatum.
::I feel like that's the joke, though,
::right?
::I think that's the joke.
::Kate, looking back on it,
::Channing Tatum had pushed to
::get his own movie for such
::a long time when he saw Gambit in,
::what was it?
::Origins.
::And he was very critical of
::that character's Southern
::accent and was outspoken and said, I can,
::I am from Louisiana and can
::do a better accent than that.
::And so this,
::it might be a little bit of a joke,
::but it's him trying to like
::really lean into it and
::make them as Cajun as possible.
::Right.
::Yeah.
::All I'm saying is, Marvel,
::if you need another Gambit variant,
::I will send you my resume.
::I know.
::Hey, you get one line.
::No, no, no.
::I couldn't.
::We're already over time.
::But when Blade popped up,
::I lost my shit because I
::didn't expect it.
::I was hitting Doug the whole
::time because I genuinely
::did not expect Blade or
::Wesley Snipes to walk from
::around the corner.
::Absolutely bottom of my list.
::Bottom of my bottom of my list.
::And the entrance was like
::the music and what he was wearing,
::how they styled him.
::I thought it was perfect.
::His little goatee that was white.
::And then he had the little
::white in his hair too.
::Perfect.
::Oh my gosh.
::That entire sequence is just so...
::perfect because I finally
::got to see an x like
::someone from the x-men talk
::to someone from the
::daredevil movies electra
::electra jennifer garner
::yeah and blade and then a
::character we never saw plus
::x23 yeah like that that is
::something I wanted 20 years ago
::And we finally got it in a Deadpool movie,
::which I just think is the
::most bonkers thing out of all of this.
::Like all everything was there,
::but it took Ryan Reynolds
::and co to pull it all together,
::which I just think is the
::most wild thing about this.
::Daphne Keene also has been
::in I didn't realize this
::she played Laura in X-23
::she's 19 years old played
::Laura in X-23 and then went
::and played Jackie in
::fucking Star Wars Acolyte I
::can't get any of these
::names right tonight I just
::didn't know that that's all I got yeah
::other folks that were in I
::mean we had so we talked
::about Christopher Evans
::like I had to give him his
::fucking legal name but like
::some other folks that were
::in it that you got to see
::like glimpses of but maybe
::didn't have speaking lines
::I mean obviously Pyro's in
::this Sabretooth is in this
::oh my gosh Blob Toad maybe
::Psylocke Psylocke
::um lady deathstroke
::juggernaut uh strike yeah
::lady deathstrike sorry um
::lady deathstroke that's a
::different that's a no I
::like it I like it but yeah
::and then all the other sort
::of like nods to different
::things like different
::vehicles so we saw red
::skull's car they had a they
::had a fantastic car so they
::had like the fantastic that
::was catching these shits
::quick as hell because I
::could not be booked
::There was a Guardians ship down there.
::It looked like a variant of the Milano.
::Somebody said a Pirates of
::the Caribbean ship was there.
::There was a Pirates of the
::Caribbean ship behind.
::Yeah,
::so when Deadpool and Wolverine are
::fighting in the desert,
::if you look behind them at
::the shot when they're like this,
::there is a pirate ship sort
::of off in the distance.
::Wow.
::Sorry,
::Florence Pugh made a post and I
::couldn't resist but look at it.
::I get it.
::We all have our influencer.
::It's very charming.
::You both know mine.
::That's where we're at.
::We're going to leave it right there.
::Sorry.
::I didn't know yours.
::I forgot.
::Yeah.
::I know Brian.
::You and I know Brian.
::Put it in the private chat.
::Who's Brian?
::I will put it in the private chat.
::Put it in there right now.
::Brian,
::you talk and he's going to type it
::in the private chat.
::Brian, who is yours?
::I don't know who yours is.
::We don't need to worry about it right now.
::I do want to get on the villain.
::Talk a little bit about the
::villain and how he felt about... Oh,
::yeah.
::It is no secret.
::I'm a fan of Elizabeth Olsen's character.
::Alright, this is not a surprise.
::She's very charming.
::I'm in full agreement with you, bro.
::I don't disagree.
::And he's so respectful about it, too.
::Yeah, and I'll say mine out loud.
::Sydney Sweeney's mine.
::Let's just get all of ours out there.
::Let's just own our shit.
::We all have our shit.
::Is it mine?
::But as a black man,
::I do have my white women
::that are on a good list.
::And then I have my...
::Okay.
::All right.
::Cool, cool, cool.
::I'm learning a lot tonight.
::Which is fine.
::I like to learn new things.
::Zendaya is mine.
::Oh, okay.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah.
::Is that who you thought it
::was going to be?
::Who did y'all think mine was?
::I thought it was actively Florence Pugh,
::so that's just where I left off.
::Florence Pugh is like that, though.
::You have a few.
::You've got Florence Pugh.
::You've got Zendaya.
::You've got the lady who played Valkyrie.
::Oh, Tessa Thompson.
::Tessa Thompson.
::Sure, sure.
::Ooh, fuck, yeah, you're right.
::Ooh, goddamn.
::The Lord is good, man.
::Anyway.
::Jesus Christ.
::Here's what I know.
::I know that when Wolverine lost his shirt,
::a lot of people in my
::theater started paying attention,
::including my wife, and that's fine.
::It's fine.
::here's what was surprising
::though he didn't take his
::shirt off sooner and that's
::a big thing about being
::Wolverine and I didn't
::realize until that moment
::of like oh and then he kept
::the mask on so I was like
::oh that threw me off like I
::was like I was like yeah
::Yeah.
::No, we can go back to Cassandra Nova.
::Let's talk about Cassandra Nova.
::So first off,
::I thought she was kind of one
::of those... So she sort of
::fell into this... Because
::Deadpool and Wolverine command...
::so much space.
::Yeah.
::She did feel like she got
::lost a little bit.
::Like, you know what I mean?
::She did feel like she got
::lost a little bit,
::but I really appreciated like her,
::her powers.
::I thought the idea of
::crawling into people's
::heads with her hand, one comic book,
::accurate.
::And two looked fucking sweet.
::Like it was just such a cool concept.
::It was disturbing.
::It was.
::And I applaud this movie.
::More, please.
::Like, it was straight up just disturbing.
::It felt like Sam Raimi, like a little bit.
::Yes, very Raimi-ish.
::Like body horror type stuff.
::Yeah, for sure.
::Maggie and I squirmed when
::she put her hand through
::Succession Guy's head and
::dragged him down the stairs.
::Oh, my God.
::That really bothered me.
::And I know it was CGI, but I was like,
::that woman...
::grabbed his brain and is
::dragging him by his brain.
::That's disturbing.
::Yeah.
::And they let you sit in it.
::I do agree.
::I agree a little bit about
::the villain of like,
::she's sandwiched between
::Paradox being villain 1A
::and her being villain 1B.
::And then the whole entire
::Deadpool and Wolverine story.
::I think there's a lot of
::potential for her as an
::actress or this character
::to be a sole villain in some capacity,
::maybe if they could adapt that storyline,
::but that would take a lot
::to kind of adapt that
::storyline down the road, but
::I enjoyed her purpose.
::She was there to catapult
::this story and be the exit
::from the void or the
::connection from the void to
::the to the multiverse or to, you know,
::to that world.
::And I think that she did that well.
::They wrote that character well to do that.
::And I do I do want to give a
::shout out to the actress
::because I knew her from The Crown.
::She is Princess Diana in The Crown.
::And so I think that she's
::got such range because I
::saw her in that and then I
::saw her in this and I'm like,
::man, you're like two different people.
::You're a comedian.
::I love it.
::So just, I want to give a bump.
::I want to give a bump to
::Emma Cora and I think she's
::really talented.
::I'm really excited to see
::her in more stuff.
::Yeah.
::Cassandra Nova,
::it felt a little one note E,
::but also at the same time,
::like I'm okay with that because I wanted,
::I wanted the Deadpool Wolverine stuff.
::Like it's fine.
::Like she did exactly what
::she needed to do.
::I also think you could have,
::and what I appreciate what they didn't do,
::is they could have said,
::because she's technically
::Charles Xavier's sister,
::they could have made this...
::they could have really
::leaned into how she's not Charles.
::And they just didn't... They
::left it alone.
::They just sort of like, no, no, no,
::she's her own thing.
::Leave her right there.
::And that's just fine.
::And I was really pleased
::with that decision because
::my fear was they were going
::to make this...
::commentary on Charles and
::misgivings and they only
::brought it up once and it
::was at the very end that
::speech Wolverine gave to
::her and I that was all they
::needed to do and that was
::perfect because they could
::have done it could have
::been extra about it and I'm
::glad that they weren't
::No, I agree.
::And I think that this movie
::knew its limits in being like,
::we know we can do a
::meditation on if Charles
::Xavier is like a net benefit to mutants.
::This isn't the movie to do it.
::Yeah,
::we're not going to do that right now.
::We got this movie's about
::this movie has Chris Evans
::like basically having his
::skin ripped off at one point.
::Yeah.
::Yes.
::Dealing with that, which, by the way,
::I've seen a lot of stuff in movies,
::but like even I was like, oh,
::That got me.
::That got me.
::Well done, Marvel.
::And the effects were pretty good.
::It happened so good, so quick.
::I don't know.
::There's a lot of moments in this... Okay,
::here's my downside to this movie.
::I don't just want to kiss
::this movie's ass.
::Here's my downside.
::There are certain moments where I wish...
::the emotions were longer the
::story is simple it's a very
::simple story right and you
::jam pack it with all the
::things we know and love
::around this story because
::it is simply put a story
::about friendship uh and
::finding out what matters to
::you which in the end is
::having that friendship and
::that other than somebody to
::rely on that's what the
::whole movie is about
::absolutely and for deadpool
::Sometimes I wish that there
::weren't as many jokes like
::that scene with Hugh
::Jackman and Deadpool.
::I'm glad that it happened,
::because if you don't have
::that moment where Deadpool
::doesn't respond immediately
::when Wolverine says something,
::I think you lose the whole
::kind of like the
::vulnerability in this joint.
::Right.
::I agree.
::And sometimes I wish they
::kind of sat in that more.
::I think it also felt like
::paradox at some point was I
::get why you introduced that
::because you need the TVA.
::Is there another way to
::introduce or make that bad
::feel a little bit more big, bad?
::Yeah.
::I guess a little bit because
::they randomly bring in Deadpool.
::They drop all these little seeds about,
::yeah, somehow they, they,
::the people up top got plans for you.
::You're of some importance or
::something on something you
::got to come work for us and
::I'm going to destroy your universe.
::And that's kind of like, wait, why?
::You know what I mean?
::Like I,
::Yeah.
::Great question.
::Yeah.
::They never really talk as to like,
::why does that, why does, what was it?
::Earth one zero.
::One thousand five.
::One thousand five.
::Triple zero five.
::Right.
::Yeah.
::One thousand five.
::Yeah.
::You're right.
::They never talk about like,
::why does that need to be destroyed?
::Mm-hmm.
::Well, wait, they do,
::but they do talk about it,
::but he talks about expediting it because,
::well, okay.
::They never talk about why it
::needs to be expedited.
::They say why it's dying,
::but he never says like, well,
::I'm trying to hurry it up.
::Well, no, because they need a mercy, mercy,
::merciless and swift response.
::god or something like that
::and that was him somebody
::who's just willing to do
::the dirty work I guess I
::don't feel like they built
::that up enough sorry brian
::no you're fine I think this
::is the part of the movie
::where it's it's very much
::like look this is what we
::want to do we want to put
::deadpool in these
::situations this is the
::mcguffin yeah just deal
::with it we're moving on and
::I'm fine with it, because I expected that.
::I did not expect Deadpool to
::get into the very specifics
::of how all this science
::fiction technology is working.
::Paradox is just doing it for the fun.
::For the funsies.
::Shitting gigs.
::And I appreciated a rogue TVA agent.
::I doubt that they thought this far ahead,
::but
::when Loki takes over the TVA
::at the end of the second season,
::they're like, Oh,
::like this is going to be
::hard on some people like
::this type of change.
::Not everyone's going to go with it.
::And implicitly you're seeing
::that happen in Deadpool.
::Do I think Marvel intended to do that?
::I don't know.
::In my head though,
::it fits perfectly narrative
::wise because the TVA knew
::this was going to happen.
::And with a change like this,
::you're going to have a guy
::like paradox who goes by the old ways.
::So yeah,
::I enjoyed it for that perspective.
::Also, really quick,
::we don't have to linger on this.
::Never explained how Deadpool
::gets to 616 for his Avengers interview.
::How does he know about the Avengers?
::Doesn't really matter.
::How does he get back to 1005?
::He had the time thing.
::Oh,
::is the cable time thing how he got there?
::Yeah,
::I think because he thought he was
::bought there or something
::like that because of the
::time cable jumping thing.
::I think he still had it.
::Yeah,
::I think that's what I at least put
::together in my head.
::Because he said he destroyed it.
::Did he destroy it after?
::Yeah, so he goes in for the interview,
::and then that's when you
::see him at the car
::dealership making fun of
::Brian's current vehicle.
::No, no, no, no, no.
::He likes the Kia Carnival MPV.
::Thank you.
::And then he says right after that,
::he gets pulled in by the TVA and he goes,
::was that for all that time
::jumping with Cable's watch?
::Because I destroyed that.
::I thought that was after Happy Hogan.
::Me too.
::Maybe it was.
::He went to Happy Hogan to do
::something that mattered
::after he bought everybody back.
::Went to see Happy.
::Happy said no.
::Then he destroyed it.
::Then he stayed in the
::timeline where he was.
::That was the timeline I put
::together in my head.
::Pable's thing could make him
::jump universes.
::It's fine.
::I'm going to go with it.
::It's also Deadpool.
::I think he needs the least explanation,
::I guess.
::He just shows up.
::Because he knows who Thor is.
::Yes, great point.
::Which I'm pretty sure that's
::repurposed footage from The Dark World.
::It absolutely is.
::I don't think any of that was there.
::Do you know what the fun
::idea that I heard the
::original concept of this movie was?
::They were going to do a
::shot-by-shot Thor The Dark World
::movie for Deadpool and then
::at the end was going to revamp it.
::There was several ideas that
::went about how to go about this.
::One was the road trip with
::him and Wolverine.
::One was a shot by shot Thor
::the Dark World.
::I got to find it.
::I got to find it.
::But that made all the sense
::in the fucking world.
::I also think that Thor shot
::with him and him crying
::will come back full circle
::in Secret Wars.
::I mean, I'll be honest.
::I don't expect it.
::If they make this happen, though,
::I will applaud them because
::that's a deep cut.
::I love that.
::Why am I still crying?
::Why am I there?
::I will say the director...
::has said that this is not like,
::this isn't setting any,
::like this is not tied.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::Yeah.
::It's just its own box.
::Which is fine.
::Honestly, I think is good.
::And like to get a little bit
::more bird's eye.
::I think Marvel really needed
::this movie for a lot of reasons,
::but I think one of the
::other reasons is that they
::got to do a Fox,
::the 20th century Fox victory lap.
::Thank you card.
::So good.
::While they figure their own mess out.
::Yeah.
::Um,
::And maybe I shouldn't call it a mess,
::but they're figuring out
::the retooling of it.
::We talked about it in the
::fall that Marvel had this
::big retreat of like how
::they're going to course
::correct everything.
::And it would not surprise me
::if they're like, yeah,
::have the Deadpool movie,
::do whatever you want,
::because that gives us an
::entire 18 months to figure
::out what we do next.
::And I feel like the result of that,
::the Deadpool movie was
::giving them time to figure out Doomsday.
::because this is a fun treat
::it doesn't really add
::anything to the whole
::multiverse maybe we'll see
::something pop up from it
::maybe like now there was an
::interview asking directly
::Hugh Jackman and Ryan
::Reynolds like hey like what
::does this look like for the
::next Avengers movie are you
::like is that even like a
::consideration for you two
::and it was like the classic
::Marvel interview of like
::they shuffled in their
::seats and they hemmed and hawed so like
::Hugh Jackman and Ryan
::Reynolds are definitely
::coming back at some point.
::I mean, I would love it if they did, like,
::a Wolverine and Xavier
::school for gifted youngsters.
::Like, he's the one leading it.
::That'd be fucking sweet.
::There's definitely some stuff cooking,
::and I definitely think
::Deadpool's showing up at some point.
::Yeah, man.
::Well, yeah,
::Deadpool is... I think Deadpool
::and Wolverine are... If the
::rumors are true,
::you're gonna get... Here's
::what you're gonna get.
::The money shot.
::Deadpool...
::Wolverine, Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield,
::and Blade, and new Blade.
::You're going to get all
::these motherfuckers in one movie.
::Oh, I mean,
::for all the cameos that we've
::talked about, which Elektra,
::Jennifer Garner,
::I'm so glad you're a good sport,
::and came back.
::And not only...
::came back for a cameo.
::She did a full-on action scene,
::which is great.
::Thank you, Jennifer Garner.
::I appreciate you.
::As a fan of Alias, I appreciate that.
::There were some very notable
::absences from some X-Men members.
::The fact that Colossus is
::the only other X-Men
::involved in this movie is
::very... I don't see his face.
::I think it's going to I think to me,
::it's very telling that they
::I feel like Marvel has some
::plans of either bringing
::them back in Secret Wars or
::having them cameo in Secret Wars,
::because I was like, man,
::like if we're doing this
::whole retrospective, I would expect like,
::you know, James Marsden.
::I would expect a $5 haircut.
::Bring that motherfucker back.
::I would expect Patrick Stewart something.
::I did expect...
::No haircut.
::Oh, no haircut.
::No,
::instead we got Chris Evans' Human Torch,
::which I am 100% And Chris
::Evans talking his shit on the back end,
::which I really enjoyed.
::I was like, yeah, perfect.
::Johnny Storm don't care.
::I do think you're right, Brian.
::I mean,
::I love the fact that, you know,
::Deadpool brings up the
::Avengers and Hugh Jackman's
::response is fuck the Avengers.
::That was incredible.
::That I loved every second of that.
::I would love a X-Men versus
::the Avengers with that attitude.
::That would be fantastic.
::It's a lot, but I would love it.
::Oh, yes.
::Yeah.
::But here we are.
::Anything else that you have
::on your list that you
::absolutely got to talk about?
::We didn't even talk about
::the Deadpool core.
::Blake Lively showed up.
::Maybe it was Blake Lively.
::She never took off the mask.
::I think it might have been ADR'd.
::I'm pretty sure Blake Lively
::just showed up to the ADR
::booth for 20 minutes.
::I think she recorded it in their house.
::I think that Ryan Reynolds
::and their rich Hollywood actors,
::I think that they have a
::recording studio in their basement.
::They definitely were like,
::Yeah, let me just put this in the house.
::I think that the mask,
::although I wanted to see it more,
::I think the way that we got
::it for the rest of the movie was perfect.
::The Wolverine mask, thank you.
::I think the reveal was good,
::and I think the line was like, hey,
::do you use that thing often?
::And he says, only for killing.
::And I was like, yeah, for sure.
::That is a fire-ass line, and then...
::The Deadpool core are so disposable that,
::yeah,
::you get a fight scene with a bunch
::of Deadpool that nobody's really dying.
::And Wolverine can still be Wolverine.
::There's your scene for Secret Wars.
::I mean, in Secret Wars,
::the second iteration,
::there's a whole fleet of
::Thor battle world cops that go around.
::Yep.
::You're going to see
::something similar to that
::at some point in time.
::It's not going to be a one on one.
::It's going to they're going
::to build this shit out.
::So, right.
::I mean, it was.
::Yeah,
::I honestly at that point in the movie,
::though, I was like, really,
::we're doing this.
::We're doing this like we
::still have like the end of
::the movie to do.
::And then I was like, you know what?
::I'm along for the ride.
::And I didn't care as soon as
::I saw the mask go on.
::yeah and honestly I thought
::the mask looked fine I did
::see some comments like on
::twitter and tiktok like oh
::the mask like it doesn't
::work that's why we don't
::have the mask and I was
::like this is the mask it
::it's fine like I it I don't
::know it's a wolverine mask
::I got you bro yeah
::Like, this is what it looks like,
::and it looks good.
::Brian, can you just start the sentence,
::and I will end it.
::So all I need you to say is, can you,
::and then I will finish it.
::Okay, can you... Shut the fuck up.
::Nothing is good enough for you,
::motherfucker.
::Just shut up.
::Seriously,
::you finally got this Wolverine
::mask and all you do is complain.
::That you've been whining
::about for 20 years.
::It looked good.
::It was bright yellow, people.
::It looked fine.
::I kind of like the fact that
::the eyes were similar to Deadpool's.
::I kind of like that sort of
::connective tissue a little bit.
::I thought that was fine.
::I did realize you cannot do
::that with Batman because it
::would look so weird in the
::way that we get Batman.
::Everybody wants the Batman white eyes,
::the detective eyes.
::Marvel has it down to a
::science now where you can
::do that and it is kind of
::like second nature now.
::DC has never set themselves
::up to be able to get that, but whatever.
::I also think it was a good
::plan for them to do a blend
::of CG and a real mask.
::I'm really glad they didn't go the...
::iron man route and they just
::cg'd around robert downey
::jr's face the whole time
::like it was very clearly a
::real mask with cg elements
::which I think is the best
::way to go agreed agreed all right
::well uh I agree with marcus
::he started this off with a
::solid like eight out of ten
::um I concur yeah a solid
::eight nine out of ten this
::was really good I enjoyed
::it a lot it's a lot of fun
::it's everything that I
::wanted it to be um there
::really wasn't I didn't walk
::out of that theater saying
::oh man I wish they would
::have like I thought it was
::there I mean for what I wanted so yeah
::I mean, they even made a Punisher joke.
::What was the joke?
::I missed it.
::The joke was she killed the
::Punisher and Deadpool goes, which one?
::There's like three of them.
::Which one?
::There's like three of them.
::And they said like, oh, I can't remember.
::Oh, God.
::I mean,
::also having Wesley Snipes being like,
::there's only going to be
::one blade and having Ryan
::Reynolds look directly into the camera.
::This movie's made
::specifically for me because
::I understand all of this.
::Yes.
::i honestly like I just this
::is how you do fan service
::and however you feel about
::fan service I don't really
::care but like this is how
::you do it it's substance
::with these sprinkling of
::cameos and honestly I'm
::super happy for channing
::tatum that he finally got
::to be gambit in a live
::action movie and it looked
::sick as hell it looked amazing
::Just needed to dial in that accent.
::Here we go.
::Gentlemen, yeah,
::so definitely we recommend seeing it.
::If you have a local theater
::like Vermillion Theaters,
::go see it there.
::Absolutely go see it there.
::But gentlemen,
::what do you all have to plug?
::Hey, folks, it's me, Brian,
::to tell you about Color Me Confetti.
::Head on over to Etsy.com and
::type in Color Me Confetti.
::All one word, you'll see my website.
::I got distracted.
::You can peruse her wares and
::see all of the printable
::party supplies she has for you on Etsy.
::I didn't like the way you said where's.
::I'm sorry.
::I apologize, I guess.
::I can do a better ad read if you want.
::Brian, is the Love Nerds still a thing?
::The Love Nerds is still a thing.
::Head on over to
::thelovenerds.com for all of
::your recipes and different craft ideas.
::All right.
::Marcus, what do you got?
::Make sure you follow the mantra,
::never offended, always humble.
::You know what I mean?
::Noah for short.
::I got new music on the way.
::I'm back in my bag, baby.
::So don't worry.
::I'm going to feed you soon.
::The streets will be fed.
::Shout out to Soltie, S-O-U-L-T-Y-E.
::He's got new music.
::Shout out to Jarrell Patton.
::He's mixing and mastering all my music.
::Find clips on Instagram and
::find clips on my Snapchat.
::All at Marcus J. Destin.
::Stay connected, but follow the mantra,
::never offended, always humble, baby.
::Those clips are fire.
::Don't miss them.
::Thank you.
::This week,
::I forget what I'm trying to say.
::I got distracted.
::Is the music too loud?
::I don't know.
::I got distracted.
::I was trying to give a compliment.
::Still thinking of the way Brian said,
::where's?
::So, anyway, here we go.
::I want to plug this podcast.
::Look,
::if you enjoyed our hot debate about
::Robert Downey Jr.,
::if you enjoyed our
::breakdown about Deadpool and Wolverine,
::Share us with a friend or a family member.
::The best way we get some
::love and support is through
::word of mouth.
::Also,
::if you are feeling generous and want
::to go over and sign up for
::one of our Patreon tiers,
::join the Patty family by
::going to patreon.com slash
::films in black and white.
::and hop on this train.
::Gentlemen,
::we have a three-step process to success.
::Brian, what is that first step?
::Hey, folks.
::I'm here to tell you to read a book.
::And I'm just talking about any book.
::Read a book.
::You'll be well-read.
::You'll know things.
::You'll know all kinds of things.
::Maybe things you don't want to know,
::but you're glad you did.
::Read a book.
::There you go.
::I'm going to tell you to drink some water.
::Look, y'all,
::it's supposed to be like 100
::degrees here tomorrow.
::You are doing yourself a
::disservice if you do not stay hydrated.
::So drink some water.
::Take care of your body.
::It'll take care of you.
::But, yeah, drink some water.
::You want to make sure for that number,
::step three, you want to,
::because Doug did not
::introduce me for the final step.
::He just let me have the job.
::I just let you go.
::You want to make sure you
::wash your ass in this multiverse,
::in the void, in Earth 1005, in Earth 616,
::and right now,
::make sure you wash your ass,
::because guess what?
::You can't do the nasty if
::you don't wash your ass.
::That's the rule.
::No, you can't.
::No, that's kind of a prerequisite.
::Tell me I'm wrong.
::I mean, you're not.
::I can't.
::I wish I could, but I can't.
::And I shouldn't be irresponsible.
::That does it for this week's
::episode of Films of Black and White.
::It'll be a Marcus and Doug original.
::Tune in for the debate of the century.
::Yep.
::We're going to just box.
::We're going to put up a
::camera and he and I are
::going to box in a public place.
::See who gets arrested first.
::Wow.
::It's me because I'm black.
::Yeah, Doug,
::you walked right into that one.
::Yeah, no, I did it on purpose.
::But more importantly,
::we'll be back next week as
::Brian takes some much needed R&R.
::So tune in next week.
::We would love to see you.
::But in the meantime and in
::the between time, stay safe,
::stay healthy.
::We love y'all.
::We appreciate y'all.
::We'll catch y'all next week.
::He figured he'd get on these
::niggas good sides.
::Free chicken.
::Every time Anthony posted in line.
::Two extra biscuits.
::Anthony liked them and
::didn't let them slide.
::They didn't kill him.
::In fact,
::it looked like they were the last
::to survive.
::Pay attention.