Episode 37
Joker 2: Folie a Deux Review aka "Hat Party"
The podcast episode takes listeners on a rollercoaster ride through their viewing experience of "Joker: Folie à Deux," offering a candid and humorous critique of the film’s shortcomings. While the film featured impressive performances from Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix, the hosts express disappointment over the lack of a compelling storyline and the underutilization of key characters, particularly Harley Quinn. The discussion centers on how the film’s attempt to balance its musical elements with the dark, psychological nature of the Joker character created a muddled experience that left audiences confused rather than engaged. Insights into filmmaking choices that contributed to the film's failure to resonate with the audience are shared, alongside reflections on the broader implications for comic book adaptations in cinema. Their take on the film serves as both a review and a cautionary tale about the pitfalls of straying too far from established character arcs and narratives.
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Lady Gaga is 100 million of our $200 million budget.
Speaker A:We cannot not use her.
Speaker A:So I have all.
Speaker A:I ordered all of these hats.
Speaker A:Yes, we are having a hat party, but I don't like that kind of hat.
Speaker A:Well, the hats were fucking expensive, so it's a hat party.
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker C:The armada Kenobi.
Speaker C:I'm not a monster.
Speaker A:How are you all feeling?
Speaker A:Y'all, it is a great day to be alive.
Speaker A:Like, it's such a great day.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:Such a funny thing happened.
Speaker A:I'll tell you about it here in a second.
Speaker A:But, like, it's just, I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker A:One, I didn't think that we were going to get Marcus.
Speaker A:So already off the rip.
Speaker A:Very excited that he is here.
Speaker A:The man had a busy day.
Speaker A:It's the start of Dakota days, and he is still here.
Speaker A:I imagine it's because he didn't want the 850 to go to waste.
Speaker B:No, no, keep the 850, but my time.
Speaker B:I'm never getting that shit back.
Speaker A:That's also accurate.
Speaker A:Yeah, and Brian's here.
Speaker C:Brian.
Speaker C:Brian.
Speaker A:The Vikings pulled it out.
Speaker A:Like, they, hey, it was an ugly win, but a win is a win.
Speaker A:Like, we'll take it.
Speaker C:At this point, it follows the trajectory of a Vikings fan enjoying the game.
Speaker C:It's like, wow, we're doing okay.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh, we'll win.
Speaker C:And then you get to the third quarter and you're like, oh, my gosh, I want to maybe harm some something.
Speaker C:This is so sad.
Speaker C:Oh, we pulled it out.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:Oh, good.
Speaker A:Good news, everybody.
Speaker A:We're okay.
Speaker A:We're okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But, y'all, we are gonna get into.
Speaker A:So this is your spoiler warning.
Speaker A:So just really quick, right off the rip, this is your spoiler warning.
Speaker A:We are going to get into a joker to folly.
Speaker A:Adu do.
Speaker A:That's folly.
Speaker A:A dude.
Speaker C:Polly a dude.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Fucking hilarious.
Speaker A:We're gonna get into that.
Speaker A:So if you haven't seen it, don't and just listen to this.
Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker A:If you haven't seen it and you want to see it, I don't want to be the one to spoil it for you.
Speaker A:I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum, so you can go nuts.
Speaker A:That's the way we'll do it.
Speaker A:But in order to do this, well, in order to do it right, in order to do it the way we usually do, Marcus J.
Speaker A:Destin, aka ha ha D's nuts.
Speaker A:This was 850.
Speaker B:This was B's.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry, my.
Speaker A:My eyes are betraying me.
Speaker C:Haha.
Speaker A:Deez nuts.
Speaker A:This was B's.
Speaker A:How you doing, sir?
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker B:I'm feeling good.
Speaker B:I'm glad I was able to make it.
Speaker B:We got done with our event tonight.
Speaker B:Happy d days.
Speaker B:For those that are listening on this beautiful Wednesday, happy D days or happy homecoming.
Speaker B:Those that are listening tonight, shout out to my student committee.
Speaker B:They absolutely killed it tonight with a fantastic event.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker B:Happy.
Speaker B:I had enough time.
Speaker B:I got home and I kind of did.
Speaker B:Like, I pulled the Doug and was, like, laid on the bed and was like, you know what?
Speaker B:Tonight I don't have anything to do.
Speaker B:And then I was like, well, I could pot tonight.
Speaker B:And then I just, like, pulled out the laptop, and then Brian and I chatted it up for about 30 minutes, and now we're here.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I'm so glad you're here.
Speaker A:And again, shout out to the student committee.
Speaker A:Unsurprised that they do well.
Speaker A:The students always do well when it comes to this event.
Speaker A:Cheers to them.
Speaker A:I'm glad the first one went well.
Speaker A:Now the first one's out of the way.
Speaker B:Second was all down.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker A:Sit.
Speaker A:Now, second one's out of the way.
Speaker A:It's all downhill from here, so it'll get honestly.
Speaker C:But, yeah.
Speaker A:Brian Roush, aka a wild robot.
Speaker A:That's me feeling, sir.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I'm feeling great to be here.
Speaker C:I am feeling very conflicted about talking about Joker Follette.
Speaker C:Marcus.
Speaker C:Marcus was so nice to just hear me say things that were on my mind.
Speaker C:I like so many thoughts, and they're all mostly bad.
Speaker C:And, yeah, I am going to say, though, I know that I'm leading with a negative.
Speaker C:Great way to start, Brian.
Speaker C:But I am going to say I did see wild robot in theaters this weekend, and that was phenomenal.
Speaker C:So I'm going to just.
Speaker C:I'm going to keep popping that up.
Speaker C:If you're like, wow, Joker sounds terrible.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:But I also got to see Wild Robot, which was phenomenal.
Speaker C:And if you haven't seen it, like, go to your theater, do a Tuesday five dollar thing.
Speaker C:It's a beautiful movie.
Speaker C:Made me cry.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:It is a good story overall.
Speaker C:Like, I just.
Speaker C:I can't recommend it enough.
Speaker C:Go see that movie, Brian.
Speaker A:I love that that is.
Speaker A:That is on Harrison's list.
Speaker A:You had, like, quite the theater weekend.
Speaker A:Wild robot Friday.
Speaker A:Then you had the joy of seeing this on Sunday.
Speaker A:And there you go.
Speaker C:I had the joker on Sunday.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Would you do it?
Speaker A:Would you do it in reverse, like, 100%?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:This was like the nightmare blunt rotation if I had to say it, like.
Speaker C:Like, absolutely.
Speaker C:It's like seeing.
Speaker C:It's like seeing Barbie, then Oppenheimer.
Speaker C:Like, no, don't do that.
Speaker C:You see Oppenheimer, then you see Barbie.
Speaker A:Got it, got it, got it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker C:It was a bad rotation, but.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Doug, Doug, how are you following?
Speaker A:Yo, it's been a wild night.
Speaker A:Like, it's a little bit of French and Spanish for everybody.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:I think that actually, the day may be, like, Spanish, so it might be like, Spanish, French and Italian just like, all together.
Speaker A:I'm going.
Speaker A:I'm going the Latin languages, if you will.
Speaker A:So, fun fact, okay?
Speaker A:Most of the time, I'm on top of my game.
Speaker A:Like, most of the time, I am, I'm here.
Speaker A:I'm ready to pode, ready to get after it, and.
Speaker A:But tonight was my night, so why don't we give you a little bit of movie magic.
Speaker A:Monday nights, it's my time to put Harper to bed.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Harper's a little bit easier.
Speaker A:Doesn't require the work with the books that you have to do.
Speaker A:Books are a little bit shorter.
Speaker A:You can get through them.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:And therefore, I have a little bit more time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we started when we usually do, except my ass passes right the fuck out.
Speaker A:I read three books.
Speaker A:We turned her little, like, music on, and I.
Speaker A:She was like, can you snuggle me a little bit?
Speaker A:Like, yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, 740.
Speaker A:I sure can.
Speaker A:The best part is, is the music goes for five minutes, so that's usually, like, my cue of, like, all right, I gotta go.
Speaker A:Not tonight.
Speaker A:Tonight I fell right asleep.
Speaker A:So I woke up not knowing who or where or what I was doing, and I started, like, walking around the house, like, man, it's only 820.
Speaker A:What am I going to do with the rest of my night before I go to bed?
Speaker A:And then I get this lovely text message from Brian that's like, hey, Doug, are you okay?
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:And the response is like, oh, hey.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oops, my bad.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:And so I had to put it.
Speaker A:Marcus put it best.
Speaker A:Best.
Speaker A:I took my version of a bra off.
Speaker A:Like, I took my contacts out, and I was ready to just let them loose, and I was just hanging out.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So, look.
Speaker A:Growth, right?
Speaker A:So, literally, I came down here.
Speaker B:That was it.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker A:And there was, like, no warm up.
Speaker A:I was like, just fuck it.
Speaker A:Let's look.
Speaker A:Let's raw dog this.
Speaker A:So, like, I would.
Speaker A:I've been eight minutes of talking to folks, and here we are.
Speaker B:So it's funny because I had to start the pod because he kept saying, let's raw dog this.
Speaker B:And I was like, if I hear raw dog one more time, I might lose it.
Speaker A:I said it over and over.
Speaker C:You did?
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:It hit the ears very hard, so.
Speaker C:Very hard.
Speaker A:But, yeah, but happy to be here.
Speaker A:Not happy to talk about the movie, but it's probably gonna make for a great episode, so.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:I also want to say that, like, Marcus and I had a funny moment before this pod, before this movie started.
Speaker A:So, like, the first five minutes of this movie, Marcus, I were watching wrestling.
Speaker B:On my phone because I was mad as fuck that I was watching this movie.
Speaker B:Fucking bad blood on fucking peacock, when.
Speaker B:Wrong.
Speaker B:Listen, I'm gonna get into it now.
Speaker B:I'm gonna get into it now.
Speaker B:This is what I skipped for this fucking movie, okay?
Speaker B:This is the day that you get the bad blood.
Speaker B:I was gonna say episode, but the bad blood series on Peacock for wrestling.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Okay, these are the matches.
Speaker B:You get Mia versus Bailey, Nia, Jax versus Bayley, women's round.
Speaker B:Then you get Rhea Ripley versus Liv, who are fighting to see who gets Dom, who's in a cage, who's dangling in a cage above.
Speaker B:You get to figure that part out.
Speaker B:And the big matchup is Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes.
Speaker B:Tag team versus solo Sokola and the samoan werewolf, right, Jacob Fatu.
Speaker B:That is the big icing on the cake with a rumor of who the fuck is supposed to show up between the rock and.
Speaker B:And Jimmy Uso coming back after all these, like, after all this time away.
Speaker B:Okay, I sub that and got through the women's match, which was really good.
Speaker B:And then by the time I got to.
Speaker B:Oh, the fucking, the fucking hell in the cage match.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker B:CM punk and Drew McIntyre, which was fucking phenomenal.
Speaker B:He actually had to get like ten stitches in his head because CM punk beat him upside the head with a metal fucking toolbox.
Speaker B:Fucking fantastic.
Speaker B:Real blood everywhere.
Speaker B:That shit was real tough as hell.
Speaker B:Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker A:Well, anyway, and so Marcus goes, ah, I have to be here and I have to, like.
Speaker A:And I don't have peacock on my phone.
Speaker A:And I looked at my phone and I looked at the Peacock app and I went, that's too bad.
Speaker A:Like, it's like, sort of, like, played it cool.
Speaker A: thought the movie started at: Speaker A:Time has not been my friend.
Speaker A:So I showed up like ten to seven, being like, 715.
Speaker B:It is, I 750.
Speaker A:So I showed up to, like ten to seven.
Speaker A:Like, oh, fuck, I better get there.
Speaker A:Oh, you guys, I having a hard time, man.
Speaker C:Relative concept.
Speaker A:It's the paint fumes in this house.
Speaker C:Yeah, you have a different colored wall behind.
Speaker A:I have a different.
Speaker A:Anyway, so, like, so not me.
Speaker B:Not a mini you.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:So, like, I looked at it and I was like, oh, fuck, it doesn't start.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, we'll just bring it up.
Speaker A:And so I brought it up and put it there, and Marcus goes, thanks.
Speaker A:And I was like, no problem.
Speaker A:And I could have done it earlier and just.
Speaker C:You could have done it.
Speaker B:So all the people behind us see his two guys sit next to each other and one guy looking at his crotch because the thing was.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Coupled with giggling here and there, like, looking at my crotch, then, like, kind of like chuckling.
Speaker B:Damn, that shit is huge.
Speaker B:Where'd she get that from?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Is it just dangling there?
Speaker A:Yeah, that was all the stuff that we were.
Speaker A:We were getting into.
Speaker A:But gentlemen, before we get into ogre folly, we have a lovely game that we like to play called catch that quotable the silky sounds of Marcus J.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, this is a little bit of a longer quote this week, but are you ready for this week's quote?
Speaker A:Our father.
Speaker A:Our father art, who is up in heaven.
Speaker A:Aloe vera be thy name.
Speaker A:May thy kingdom come, the magic kingdom, as it is on earth in a helicopter.
Speaker A:Give us these day our daily pizza and let us digest it.
Speaker A:Forgive us.
Speaker A:Forgive our passes.
Speaker A:We forget sometimes on women folk with there to dine.
Speaker A:Like, that is nice caboose you got there.
Speaker B:Oh, this is.
Speaker B:Oh, sorry.
Speaker B:You still reading that?
Speaker A:That's not part of it.
Speaker A:I know that.
Speaker A:Keep your heads bowed, please.
Speaker A:And forgive our tree passes, and lead us not into the temptations, for we are tired of their music and dancing.
Speaker A:And deliver us from evil with your sword and mighty falcon, forever and ever and ever.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker B:This is Will Ferrell, and it's not swing state.
Speaker B:What's the one where he's a politician?
Speaker C:It's not the candidate.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Because I know the one, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, cuz it's him and it's Zach Galphin.
Speaker C:Echoes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Run an opposite of each other.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I just remember that first, I was like, talladega nights, cuz they kind of do a similar thing with the prayer shit.
Speaker B:But I know this too.
Speaker A:I know the movie you're talking about.
Speaker A:I cannot remember.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Yes, I.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's reason.
Speaker B:That's what it.
Speaker B:That's definitely what it's from.
Speaker B:I just cannot remember the title?
Speaker B:To save my life.
Speaker B:Life.
Speaker C:The campaign.
Speaker C:The campaign.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's the campaign.
Speaker A:All right, let me.
Speaker A:That sounds like it could be it.
Speaker A:So let's take a gander, shall we?
Speaker B:Holiday a night prayer is also good, but it's the.
Speaker B:I think it's the funnier prayer that he does, and it is concerned.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker B:I think it's done way better.
Speaker B:I think it's done.
Speaker B:Not way better, but I think it's funnier for me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:You nailed it.
Speaker B:The campaign.
Speaker A:You got it.
Speaker A:Will Ferrell is Cambrady.
Speaker A:You got it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've seen that movie maybe, like, twice.
Speaker B:Second time by accident.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:I've seen that movie maybe twice.
Speaker A:But there's one part that I've seen the clip of a bunch of times, and it's where the kids are admitting all the things that they did.
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker B:I don't remember that.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker A:It's where they're sitting at the table, and he's like, I'm running for office.
Speaker A:If you guys did anything, you know, you need to tell me.
Speaker A:You're not gonna get any trouble.
Speaker A:And one of them's like.
Speaker A:They're like, oh, one time I.
Speaker A:I put peanut butter on my balls, and I let the dog lick it off.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And you're like, oh, that's his worst.
Speaker A:And then the kid across goes.
Speaker A:I went down and I hung out with the old man down the street.
Speaker A:He gave me a deep beer, let me touch his old lady's titty.
Speaker A:Like, it's just.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It keeps escalating, and it's hilarious.
Speaker A:So I've seen that part over and over and over.
Speaker B:That bit in a welfare movie with kids at a dinner table and kind of letting them rip.
Speaker B:Like, talking about them even in Talladega nights, because that's my direct comparison.
Speaker B:When they talk about throwing the grandpa's medals over the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Over the inner.
Speaker B:Over the freeway, interstate or the bridge, or whatever the case may be, or jacked up on mountain.
Speaker B:Do, like, that whole shit is, like, done really well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I do have a fun game for us to play very, very quickly.
Speaker A:So recently, I have been playing diablo four game.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker A:Never played it before.
Speaker A:Played it for the first time.
Speaker A:And it is a good game.
Speaker A:In honor of that game, I did want to do a sort of, like, rank these five things very, very quickly, so.
Speaker A:And it's going to be the, like, video game edition.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:This one will be a brian and Marcus ranking.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:And it is fantasy video games, so I'm going to go with titles.
Speaker A:I'm going to give you five of them.
Speaker B:Are you showing us something?
Speaker A:You are going to rank them.
Speaker A:I am not showing anything.
Speaker A:I just have my list of games.
Speaker B:Let me grab a piece of paper real quick, please.
Speaker C:If you give me a second, I can, I can.
Speaker B:Oh, Brian.
Speaker A:Brian is on it.
Speaker A:So this will be a group ranking.
Speaker A:So this is Marcus and brian coming up.
Speaker A:One ranking.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And you will not be able to see the one that is coming next.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:All right, are you all ready?
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker C:I'm ready.
Speaker C:Hit me.
Speaker A:Your first game is the elder scrolls five.
Speaker A:Skyrim.
Speaker B:Can we.
Speaker B:Can we swap later?
Speaker A:You get one.
Speaker B:Can we swap before the fight?
Speaker B:One swap out of all five.
Speaker A:One swap.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:In the interest, one swap.
Speaker A:So the older scrolls five.
Speaker A:Uh, Skyrim.
Speaker B:I've never played this game, so, Brian.
Speaker C:I mean, Skyrim, like it.
Speaker C:It's a classic.
Speaker C:They're still making remakes of it.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker C:Do I think it's the best?
Speaker C:No, I don't.
Speaker C:But I don't want.
Speaker C:I don't know what else Doug has in his bag.
Speaker C:So this feels like one swap.
Speaker C:I mean, we get one swap.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think threes.
Speaker B:I think that's what I was thinking.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And Brian, I think we should use our swap when we get to four.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And then we can.
Speaker B:And then we wait to use our swap and.
Speaker A:All right, I like that.
Speaker A:So this is gonna be very rpg heavy, so just strap in for that.
Speaker A:The next one is Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, I know that one.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:The original, I'm assuming.
Speaker A:Mm hmm.
Speaker B:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:Look up the COVID because I know cover.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:You're gonna know.
Speaker A:It's like flaming ball with like, oh.
Speaker B:This is my shit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This will be a two for me because this is my.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker C:The mechanics of it are kind of messed.
Speaker B:Nikki's here.
Speaker A:Oh, welcome, Nicky.
Speaker A:Help us with these games after I said raw dog too much.
Speaker A:So you came right at the right time.
Speaker C:You're beating just for her.
Speaker B:Just hit her eardrums like it hit ours.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Original Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker C:We got it at number two.
Speaker B:Does it start at seven?
Speaker B:No, there's a regular.
Speaker A:This goes like.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Not a dumb question.
Speaker A:Like, not at all.
Speaker A:Also, the next one, the Witcher three.
Speaker B:Oh, okay, Brian, I'm gonna leave this to you.
Speaker B:I've never played the Witcher before.
Speaker C:The Witcher.
Speaker C:Here's the thing with the Witcher.
Speaker C:It has really good story, but the controls are, like, janky as hell.
Speaker C:Like, it's just some of the interface.
Speaker C:It just doesn't work.
Speaker C:It's also an enigma to me because when it released, it was not good.
Speaker C:But then, like, after years of updates, it became a classic.
Speaker B:The same game.
Speaker C:Yeah, they just kept updating it.
Speaker C:Same.
Speaker C:It's the same company that did cyberpunk.
Speaker C: Uh,: Speaker C:So I do feel like Skyrim is a better product overall than the Witcher thread.
Speaker A:Yeah, project Red is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you think it for.
Speaker B:I'm thinking.
Speaker B:Are you taking it from where it first came out or to where it ended?
Speaker C:Um.
Speaker C:I mean, I played it with all of the updates and it was.
Speaker C:It was good, but it was not Skyrim good.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:To me.
Speaker B:I trust you wherever you put it.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:We're gonna do the Witcher three.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker B:Sorry, couldn't resist.
Speaker C:We are gonna do the Witcher three.
Speaker C:That's what she said.
Speaker C:That's what we're gonna do it.
Speaker A:We're gonna do it.
Speaker A:The next one, we are going to go with God of war.
Speaker B:Oh, the original.
Speaker A:I'll go with the two most recent.
Speaker A:So God of war and then God of war.
Speaker B:That's got to be number one.
Speaker C:That's number one.
Speaker B:I think that's number one.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:I got so excited, I deleted the one.
Speaker C:It keeps wanting to go back.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:It's indented now.
Speaker C:Everybody deal with it.
Speaker B:Everybody shut the fuck up.
Speaker B:Say something, mother.
Speaker C:For the listeners that aren't on the live stream, please know I'm struggling with Google Docs formatting.
Speaker B:And if you say anything, we go kick your ass.
Speaker A:Yes, we'll know where you're coming.
Speaker A:We know where you're saying it from.
Speaker C:I want you to know it's winning.
Speaker B:Okay, this is our.
Speaker B:This is four for us.
Speaker B:Okay, Doug, do we get a swap when you give us the fifth, or we would have to swap now.
Speaker A:I will let you swap after you hear the fifth one.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:The last one is Baldur's gate.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker C:Like the latest one.
Speaker A:I mean, yes, but they've been doing them for such a long time that you kind of just lump them into a series there.
Speaker B:Which one do you want us to.
Speaker C:Hmm.
Speaker B:I feel like, for me, I also have not played Baldur's gate, but from your explanation of Skyrim versus Baldur's gate.
Speaker B:Now, what I do like about Baldur's gate is the D and B portion.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I do like how extensively you can develop a character.
Speaker B:So for me, I think I would put that at, like, three and then put Skyrim at five.
Speaker B:But that's me, Brian.
Speaker B:Or is it not that high?
Speaker B:Like, I'll take no.
Speaker C:Boulders gate.
Speaker C:So Boulders gate three is.
Speaker C:Is phenomenal.
Speaker C:Like, it is.
Speaker C:I have only started playing it.
Speaker C:I don't know when I'm gonna finish it.
Speaker C:I am a parent of three children.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna finish this game for years.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's 80 hours long.
Speaker C:Like, there's a drag.
Speaker C:Like, there's just so much going on.
Speaker A:There's a lot of shit in there.
Speaker C:Is it?
Speaker C:Here's the question, Marcus.
Speaker C:Is it better than Skyrim?
Speaker C:Is, I think what it comes down to.
Speaker C:I have not finished the game.
Speaker B:I've not played Skyrim.
Speaker B:So you would only.
Speaker B:You would only know, and I trust you in that.
Speaker B:As long as Final Fantasy and God of War does not change, I'm fine with wherever else we put the rest of these.
Speaker C:I like the turn based combat of Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker C:The interface, like, the.
Speaker C:The play control does get a little weird.
Speaker C:And I do think Boulders gate three does that better.
Speaker C:But I also.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I like Final Fantasy seven as a whole package better.
Speaker C:Maybe I'd revisit this if I finished it.
Speaker C:So I guess this is.
Speaker C:I guess what I'm proposing, Marcuse, is that we would move sky.
Speaker C:Like, basically move Skyrim.
Speaker C:Jeez.
Speaker C:Yeah, I guess I'm gonna put sky.
Speaker C:If we're doing this blind.
Speaker C:Put Skyrim at five and then put Boulders gate.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker C:Boulders gate at three.
Speaker C:Basically, that would be our switch.
Speaker A:They go, all right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think my interest and not playing these games because this is completely weird to have, like, these two guys, the parent of me and Brian.
Speaker B:Me and me not playing, like, a lot of these games.
Speaker B:I think this would be my list based off of my interest in what I would play them.
Speaker B:This is the exact order I would go in.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think I agree with you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, if you bought me a game system tomorrow and was like, marcus, here are five games, and you asked me what I would play first.
Speaker B:I would go in this exact order.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I know that there's probably people screaming about Skyrim, but, like, at the same time, Skyrim is such, like, a base template now of what everything came after it.
Speaker C:That there's, like, you.
Speaker C:I don't know, like, I feel like boulders gate three is running because Skyrim walked in my, yeah, I would.
Speaker C:I would agree to a certain extent.
Speaker C:To a certain extent.
Speaker C:Obviously, the combat's different.
Speaker C:It's not as, I don't know, it's not.
Speaker C:It's not as broad and vast, but like, oh, man.
Speaker B:Why is Nicky screaming?
Speaker C:Oh, Nicky screaming.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm just, I'm pummeling Nikki quick in the.
Speaker A:Nikki quick in the chat.
Speaker A:Where would you put these rankings yourself?
Speaker B:Because, Doug, I'm going to ask you, while Nicky's doing that, you rank you.
Speaker B:Can you rank them for us?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Premium hater.
Speaker B:We did get the quote.
Speaker C:Thank you for the campaign.
Speaker A:I would probably switch up.
Speaker A:I would probably switch Baldur's gate in Final Fantasy just because I finished Baldur's gate and the story is just so robust.
Speaker A:Like, it's just, I mean, it's just so deep in there.
Speaker A:And I also think that there's something to be said for, like, the technological achieve, like, just.
Speaker A:Just the way that they were able to put those things together.
Speaker A:So God of war for me, I think, is still in terms of story.
Speaker A:Like, if you're trying to play something that has, like, a clear campaign has twit like twist right turns, I think God of war is God of war.
Speaker B:Is that for sure?
Speaker A:Is that 100% then for me?
Speaker A:And this might be recency bias.
Speaker A:Baldur's gate, then Final Fantasy.
Speaker A:To be honest with you, the Witcher and Skyrim are kind of interchangeable for me.
Speaker A:They could go either way bad.
Speaker A:They're sort of victims of circumstance.
Speaker A:I do think Skyrim was the best elder scrolls to have made.
Speaker A:I mean, and what they did for all of it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:That you shit on cloud and sephora like that.
Speaker B:But, yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I mean, uh, I mean, uh.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Photoshop.
Speaker C:I want to Photoshop.
Speaker C:Final Fantasy.
Speaker C:Seven screens now.
Speaker C:With Sephiroth there, he's like, you've come to meet your doom cloud.
Speaker C:And it's just.
Speaker B:Brian right away.
Speaker A:So Nikki's got Baldur's gate first.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Final Fantasy is 3rd.
Speaker A:4th is Witcher fifth.
Speaker C:I mean, I respect this list is interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, I do.
Speaker C:Boulders, gate three.
Speaker C:Like I said, I have not finished it, but there's a reason it has won all the awards.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:It's a highly customizable game and I got to respect that, like, of somebody.
Speaker B:If, like, you asked me what's my money's worth, then I think Baldur's gate would be a game.
Speaker B:I want to get my money's worth.
Speaker B:A God of war.
Speaker B:That's like, one a, one b.
Speaker B:Without me playing with your inscriber.
Speaker A:The thing I like about the thing I like about Diablo and the thing I like thing I like about Baldur's gate is for that exact reason.
Speaker A:Marcus, if I'm gonna play a game, I mean, Baldur's gate has dick physics.
Speaker A:Like, it is, like, when you are customizing your.
Speaker B:You and Josh Whedon about these dick.
Speaker A:Physics, I don't know, but it's blowing my mind.
Speaker A:So, like, I did not expect that when I was going to go into, like, a character creation mode.
Speaker A:It's like, how do you want his face to look?
Speaker A:Yeah, how do you want.
Speaker A:And they were like, hey, take a look under the hood.
Speaker A:How do you want all that to look?
Speaker C:Ding a ling a ding dong time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What do you want?
Speaker B:Is ding a ling, like, group worked on this.
Speaker B:Like, went, I don't know.
Speaker C:I mean, that's the thing with video games is, like, you know, somebody spent months making sure that.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, by the way, because if people don't know for Batman.
Speaker C:Arkham Asylum.
Speaker C:For one year, a guy just worked on Batman's cape in that game.
Speaker C:Like, the physics of it.
Speaker B:And that's the Arkham.
Speaker B:It's my favorite feature.
Speaker B:It's something so small, but it's my favorite feature.
Speaker C:And the cave works.
Speaker A:It works.
Speaker A:You know full well that they.
Speaker A:They're in their lab with, like, a.
Speaker A:Like, a leaf blower and a cape to seeing how it's gonna.
Speaker C:Like, there were probably weeks of research where they're like, hey, you have a wind blower, a nail gun, and a giant tarp.
Speaker C:Yeah, I gotta do Batman.
Speaker A:What is this?
Speaker A:Receipt for exotics?
Speaker A:Is that a set?
Speaker A:Like an adult store?
Speaker A:No, no, for the dick physics.
Speaker A:Don't worry about.
Speaker C:Okay, we gotta see.
Speaker C:We gotta see how this works.
Speaker A:If I turn it really quick, I got to know how it jiggles.
Speaker C:Like, we have to know the physics on this.
Speaker A:So anyway, yeah, I.
Speaker A:I mean, but in terms of it, I mean, you can get into.
Speaker A:You can play it once as one character and be like, all right, this one.
Speaker A:This one.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:This one.
Speaker B:Y'all freaky a bit, y'all.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm associated.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:We have.
Speaker A:We have all had this.
Speaker A:We've all had our turn.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, we've all had our turn.
Speaker B:Relax.
Speaker A:I stand by it.
Speaker A:But you could play through, like, once as a rogue, and you're like, this next one, I'm doing the best part.
Speaker A:So it's like, 80 hours, but, like, 80 hours again, which is just 80 hours.
Speaker B:80 hours, but 80 hours again.
Speaker A:This time, I'm gonna make all different choices.
Speaker C:Like, there's a reason I liked God of war, because I know it was a little bit more straightforward.
Speaker C:Oh, like, man, I just really enjoy the fact that I know exactly where to go.
Speaker C:And the only thing standing between me and, like, finishing the game is like, I got to be good with this axe.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I have to block and hit at the right time with this axe.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:That's the only thing standing between me and the end of this game and Brian, ghost librarian.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:It's hilarious.
Speaker A:It's like, my knee jerk reaction with most of these games is like, okay, I know I'm supposed to go straight to.
Speaker A:There are two offshoots.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Let's see what's down that one.
Speaker A:Well, I just did that one.
Speaker A:Let's go do the other one.
Speaker A:Like, if I'm walking down a path, like a fork.
Speaker A:So, like, for me, I just.
Speaker A:I have to explore the full map, and so it makes people mad, because I was playing a game with my brother, and he was like, how did you unlock that?
Speaker A:I was like, well, there was a path over there, and I just explored the path.
Speaker A:He was like, you're the that guy, aren't you?
Speaker A:And I'm like, I guess I am.
Speaker C:I play with two of them.
Speaker C:My best friend Brian wall is a wanderer.
Speaker C:And my wife, like, I'll be in a dialogue, and she'll be like, hey, what's over here?
Speaker C:What's over here?
Speaker C:What's over?
Speaker C:I'm like, I'm talking to the guy, trying to give him, like, the seashells so I can, like, get his daughter free or whatever.
Speaker C:And then she's like, okay, that's nice, but, like, I found a treasure chest over here.
Speaker C:And then, meanwhile, like, Brian Wall will be like, anyway, I'm dying.
Speaker C:There's a giant crab.
Speaker C:It's like I'm talking to the pearl guy.
Speaker C:Can y'all just stay in one place?
Speaker B:Pearl guy?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Those Diablo four quests are wild.
Speaker A:They're wild as hell.
Speaker C:They're like.
Speaker C:Anyway, my sister needs to be exorcismed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, my sister's son.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I put him to sleep, and now he won't wake up.
Speaker A:Can you help?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:It's really cold in the room, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, my favorite thing in fantasy games is to make up names.
Speaker A:So, like, the name of my character in Diablo is Bocephus, and I just think that that's hilarious to me.
Speaker C:So, cephas.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Both cephas.
Speaker A:Both the necromancer.
Speaker A:Very excited.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Is he black?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:No, but I want him to be, um.
Speaker A:He's a real skinny white dude.
Speaker B:It's real nice to be wanted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Um.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, let's move on.
Speaker A:Let's move on.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker B:Jim Crow, girl.
Speaker A:Let's talk about.
Speaker A:So, this is.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, this is your spoiler.
Speaker A:Everybody listening?
Speaker A:Gentlemen, this is your spoiler warning.
Speaker A:We are gonna get into all of it.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about the ins and outs.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about the ending.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about all of this.
Speaker A:So if you.
Speaker A:Again, if you're one of those people who wants to see it, turn back now.
Speaker A:We don't want to ruin it for you.
Speaker A:Although, please listen to us.
Speaker A:That you might be better off just listening to this.
Speaker A:Like, you just might be better off, but.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, would one of you care to do a barber shop synopsis for Joker two?
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker B:Brian, you got it.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker B:You got it.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:I got it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I'm, like, gathering gumption right now.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Better you than me, brother.
Speaker B: Like, I support you: Speaker C:I'm okay.
Speaker C:The barbershop summary.
Speaker C:What had happened was this.
Speaker C:This movie picks up two years after the first joker.
Speaker C:And guess what.
Speaker C:He's in jail, and.
Speaker C:And he's in Arkham, and he's.
Speaker C:He's sad.
Speaker C:Arthur is sad.
Speaker C:And he's, uh.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:He's miserable.
Speaker C:And he walks around at one point, and then he sees Lady Gaga, and she's like, hey.
Speaker C:He's like, hey.
Speaker C:And the movie progresses from there.
Speaker C:I'll just say that I'm just like, I don't even think it's worth covering, to be honest.
Speaker C:Like, we get to a point where he's.
Speaker C:The guard's like, hey, you want to go sing funny man Joker?
Speaker C:And he's like, okay, whatever.
Speaker C:And he's like, all right, I'm gonna go sing, and I'm gonna go sing with Lady Gaga.
Speaker C:And then they're like, oh, we're all singing.
Speaker C:This is great.
Speaker C:And, I don't know.
Speaker C:They try to.
Speaker C:They set a fire, and then they try to escape, and they're singing.
Speaker C:They're singing involved, kind of.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:We'll get into that later.
Speaker C:And then there's a.
Speaker C:There's a courtroom thing that's most of the movie, if you didn't know or if that's not what you expected, then the rest of it is the trial of the joker, and then that's the end.
Speaker C:That's the rest of the movie.
Speaker C:Basically.
Speaker C:There's kind of a love story.
Speaker C:I don't really know.
Speaker C:That is.
Speaker C:This is the best summary I can give you.
Speaker C:I'm not trying to be funny, but, like, this is.
Speaker C:This is the summary of the movie.
Speaker B:I do want everybody to understand.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:In all seriousness, I want everybody to understand.
Speaker B:Brian is the nice one.
Speaker A:You know what, Marco?
Speaker B:Orienting statement like that is honestly and genuinely the.
Speaker B:Like, that is the nicest way for the nicest person on this pot to talk about that movie.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's fucking wild.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That is the great.
Speaker A:That is a great, great statement.
Speaker C:I don't even know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't even know, but, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:Great job, Brian.
Speaker A:Brian.
Speaker C:Brian.
Speaker B:Me.
Speaker A:No notes.
Speaker A:No, because at least yours was, like, you didn't get distracted with wanting to tell them what you thought.
Speaker A:You tried very hard to stick to facts, and I appreciate that.
Speaker B:I definitely would have spent at least 30 minutes talking about them fucking in that jail cell smelling like.
Speaker C:Yeah, we need to discuss this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Mashed potatoes.
Speaker A:Yacht queen Phoenix comes back as Arthur Fleck.
Speaker A:The Lady Gaga plays Lee.
Speaker A:Brendan Gleason plays Jackie Sullivan.
Speaker A:Katherine Keener plays Marianne Stewart.
Speaker A:Zazie beats is in this for a hot second as Shelby do Dummond, probably Dumont.
Speaker A:Steve Coogan is in.
Speaker A:This is Patty Myers.
Speaker B:What a fuck, Harry.
Speaker A:Harry Lawley.
Speaker A:Lotley plays Harvey Dent.
Speaker A:Lee Gill plays Gary puddles.
Speaker A:Poor Gary.
Speaker A:And then Brendan Gleason plays Jackie Sullivan.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:We got.
Speaker A:This movie has an insane budget of $200 million, which I do want to.
Speaker C:I want to put out there.
Speaker C:According to Variety, a variety interview, Todd Phillips disputes this but never confirms that.
Speaker B:It'S not $159 million.
Speaker C:Right, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's like somebody who got the bill after ordering too many drinks at a restaurant.
Speaker A:He goes, no, I didn't order $80 worth of wine.
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, you did.
Speaker A:And he's just like, man, like, I.
Speaker C:Mean, it's like 79.99, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so the budget, $200 million thus far after its opening weekend.
Speaker A:$37 million in US Canada, a $114,000,000 world.
Speaker C:Why did you say about Morbius?
Speaker B:I think it's less than Morbius is opening week.
Speaker C:Holy buckets.
Speaker A:Okay, now, I.
Speaker A:Now, now.
Speaker B:Comparison but I'm just being honest.
Speaker A:No, now I need to look up.
Speaker C:The Morbius open opening box office.
Speaker A:Well, see, now I'm doing it, too.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:This is where we're at, everybody.
Speaker A:This is this.
Speaker B:I don't want to compare like that.
Speaker B:It's apples to oranges.
Speaker B:Different story, Marcus.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:Marcus.
Speaker A:Technically, Morbius made $2 million more.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Enjoy.
Speaker A:We want to split hairs.
Speaker A:It technically made $2 million more.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, let's talk about Joker.
Speaker A:Two thoughts on film.
Speaker B:So Brian and I were talking before.
Speaker B:Brad and I were speaking before, you know, Doug showed up.
Speaker B:Brian has a document that he typed up, so I would like Brian to.
Speaker B:Maybe easier if Brian went through his daughter of notes.
Speaker A:Sure, man.
Speaker A:I meant really half.
Speaker A:Really half ass in it.
Speaker A:I was asleep.
Speaker A:I showed up late.
Speaker A:Brian has a fucking document, man.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:Okay, I might get downgraded to, like, fourth heat.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker C:No, no, you're not, because you're human and everybody.
Speaker C:This happens to everybody.
Speaker C:Putting your kid to bed.
Speaker C:You're fine.
Speaker C:This is a podcast about movies.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker C:You put your kid to bed.
Speaker B:Okay, now pause.
Speaker B:I really want you all to remember when I said, he's the nice one.
Speaker B:That's where it is.
Speaker B:Remember?
Speaker B:That's not a lie.
Speaker B:Brian is the nice one.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:Brian is the boy.
Speaker A:Howdy.
Speaker A:The cinematography was good.
Speaker A:Like, that's usually.
Speaker A:Brian is.
Speaker B:So if he's not enjoying himself, this is pretty authentic and genuine that he did not.
Speaker B:I've only seen him there movie up maybe twice.
Speaker C:Madame Webb and Morbius.
Speaker B:Madam Webb and Morbius.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Those are the only two movies I heard him absolutely obliterate.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yep, yep.
Speaker C:We are in that territory.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:If you have come for, like, just totally, like, annihilation, Brian, this is the podcast for you.
Speaker C:This is the episode for you.
Speaker A:Annihilation, Brian.
Speaker C:It's just total annihilation.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a doomsday apocalypse scenario where there is nothing there.
Speaker C:I've tried so hard to find good things in this movie, and it's so hard, and it shouldn't be this hard, especially for the subject material.
Speaker C:It's the Joker from Batman.
Speaker C:And somehow this movie is so devoid of entertainment that it's a choice.
Speaker C:It's a chore to watch this movie.
Speaker C:I sat in a theater, and over the course of 2 hours and 20 minutes, four people walked out.
Speaker C:And I just sat there thinking, I spent $10 for this, just as these people walked out to enjoy the rest of their day.
Speaker C:And look, if you're joining us and you just want to hear what's happening.
Speaker C:Why are you being so mean to this movie?
Speaker C:It's because basically this movie doesn't know what to do with itself.
Speaker C:And it had such amazing setups and such amazing concepts to put out that it never delivers.
Speaker C:And we'll talk more in detail about that.
Speaker C:But they're like, hey, this my biggest thing that I'll start off with right away.
Speaker C:This is a musical.
Speaker C:And you're like, okay, it's a musical.
Speaker C:I know about courtroom drama musicals.
Speaker C:I've seen Chicago and what they took as a musical was they just kind of looked at Joaquin Phoenix in a jail cell and they're like, okay.
Speaker C:So, you know, like, come on, get happy.
Speaker C:All right, I want you to just sing it like you're whispering it a little bit.
Speaker C:And I need you to be a little flat.
Speaker C:And Joaquin Phoenix, being the stellar, amazing actor he is, was like, are you a shirt?
Speaker C:And they said, yup.
Speaker C:And he's like, okay.
Speaker C:And he did that.
Speaker C:He sang off key on purpose and it was not enjoyable singing.
Speaker C:And you'd be like, oh, well, Brian, I bet the sets were great.
Speaker C:No, you have to understand that the thing here is that the direction given is that we're going to get into, I'm going to use my undergrad degree.
Speaker C:We're going to get into diegetic and non diegetic premises of the movie of this is happening within the context of the movie.
Speaker C:Everyone can hear this.
Speaker C:And the non diegetic, it's like only the audience can hear, hear it, right.
Speaker C:It's usually what happens with musicals.
Speaker C:And I can't, it doesn't matter because the singing so, so bad from Joaquin Phoenix supposedly on purpose that you don't, you don't really understand what's happening because you're like, are you just singing to yourself?
Speaker C:Are you singing to someone else?
Speaker C:Are you singing to me?
Speaker C:The audience?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:And, and the song doesn't make sense.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker C:In the context, at least in this.
Speaker C:Some of the songs I'm thinking of, I'm not even gonna get into specifics because they never give you a reason to care about, about the songs that they're singing.
Speaker C:And at one point Lady Gaga is like, we're gonna, I'm not gonna sing you an example because I care about our audience.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:And at one point lady Gaga's like, we're gonna build a mountain.
Speaker C:And I kid you nothing, listeners.
Speaker C:Joaquin Phoenix looks at her, goes, what does that mean?
Speaker C:We don't know.
Speaker C:We don't know.
Speaker C:It's never answered.
Speaker C:We don't know.
Speaker C:And you're like, oh, well, this happens once, Brian.
Speaker C:You don't have to get all upset about it.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker C:This happens throughout the entire two hour and 20 minutes run time.
Speaker C:And you're like, well, it's just Joaquin Phoenix.
Speaker C:It can't be that bad.
Speaker C:No listener.
Speaker C:They ask Lady Gaga, Oscar awarden winner for music in a film, lady gaga, paparazzi.
Speaker C:Lady gaga, bad romance bar is born.
Speaker A:Herself born.
Speaker C:They ask this, this amazing singer.
Speaker C:Okay, we want you to go just lean on this courthouse and just, we want you to sing this song in like a sing, talk whisper.
Speaker C:So she's just hanging out, smoking a cig, going like, innocents come out and like, that's, is she singing to herself?
Speaker C:The audience?
Speaker C:We don't know.
Speaker C:We don't know because it's a musical, apparently.
Speaker C:But the most of the singing is just whispered in a very shallow tone.
Speaker C:And you might say, well, Brian, that's the tone of the movie.
Speaker C:It's a, yeah.
Speaker C:Gritty, seventies, courtroom thriller drama.
Speaker C:Is it, though?
Speaker C:Are you doing a musical or not?
Speaker C:Do you, do you have Lady Gaga as a performer ready to go or not?
Speaker C:To get this talent, to have this amazing talent?
Speaker C:And then all you ask her to do is just lean up against a column and, like, whisper talk.
Speaker C:The saints coming in instead of a giant musical number.
Speaker C:I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker C:Like, I, like, take a seat.
Speaker C:Take me.
Speaker C:Because, like, there are other musical, I've been talking to Lon.
Speaker C:There are other musical entanglements and, and sets in this movie.
Speaker C:And they hearken back to the, to the old thirties and forties, like golden era of cinema, like musicals, uplifting and these giant Fred Astaire pieces, right?
Speaker C:But the moment the movie introduces those and this does it with other things, it immediately takes it away.
Speaker C:So you're just starting to see Lady Gaga all dressed up.
Speaker C:Joaquin Phoenix all dressed up.
Speaker C:And they're gonna, they have Arkham Hotel, and it's in the neon lights and they're on a cityscape.
Speaker C:And you're like, this is kind of nice, but the moment you start to enjoy it, they're like, by the way, he's in jail.
Speaker C:And it never has time to explore this concept.
Speaker C:I'm gonna stop talking at this point.
Speaker C:I've been talking for too long.
Speaker C:This is just the singing.
Speaker A:Um, Brian, to your down.
Speaker B:Pretty good.
Speaker A:Brian, to your point, to back up one of your statements, not that we need to, but to back up and solidify one of the statements you made.
Speaker A:You said, it's so committed to being a musical that is backed up by the director's own words.
Speaker A:There was a scene, there's an article in Variety that I read today that said there was a scene where Harley Quinn was supposed to.
Speaker A:Harley was supposed to have a conversation and a kiss with a woman on the courthouse steps.
Speaker A:They cut that entire piece because they needed this sing songy dialogue.
Speaker A:We needed the sing song moment, and it would have been too difficult to cut back and forth.
Speaker A:They said, make me a musical, and that's it.
Speaker A:And I don't even want to, like, I don't even want to get into, like, this is not about, like, representation.
Speaker A:This is just about, like, storytelling.
Speaker A:You were committed to a premise and you just said, this is the premise.
Speaker A:Well, can't we do anything different?
Speaker A:Does it betray the premise?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:No, we can't do it like, it's.
Speaker A:They said, lady Gaga is a hundred million of our $200 million budget.
Speaker A:We cannot not use it.
Speaker A:So I have all.
Speaker A:I ordered all of these hats.
Speaker A:Yes, we are having a hat party, but I don't like that kind of hat.
Speaker A:Well, the hats were fucking expensive, so it's a hat party.
Speaker A:All that it is.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:That's very true.
Speaker C:It explains.
Speaker C:Marcus and I were talking about this.
Speaker C:It explains that philosophy.
Speaker C:Explains why every time Lady Gaga has this, has a scene, she is starting to chew, that I am starting to enjoy.
Speaker C:It feels like Todd Phillips just like, starts shoving her out of the frame is like, that's enough.
Speaker C:That's enough of you.
Speaker C:Why, Brad?
Speaker A:Brad, this woman looks a man she had relations with in a jail.
Speaker A:In a gringy jail cell.
Speaker B:Dirty goes.
Speaker A:She goes, by the way, let's not even get started on that.
Speaker A:But yes, wash your ass.
Speaker A:Rule number three.
Speaker A:If she looks and it goes, I'm pregnant.
Speaker A:And he goes, really?
Speaker A:And she goes, yep.
Speaker A:Insert song.
Speaker A:Like, not a.
Speaker A:Like a dialogue.
Speaker A:Not like, how did it happen?
Speaker A:Not like a.
Speaker A:Just from the one time, but like a, like, right into, like, song about.
Speaker B:I haven't.
Speaker B:I have an alternative beef.
Speaker C:Get in it.
Speaker B:But mine is.
Speaker B:Mine is not related to the singing.
Speaker A:Give me that beef.
Speaker C:Do it.
Speaker B:I just wanted you to sit in it.
Speaker A:No, I was.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Feel like, okay, here's my beef with the Lady Gaga.
Speaker B:Right thing.
Speaker B:I think Lady Gaga is a phenomenal actress and a talented woman.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I think that what maybe she.
Speaker B:What she thought this movie was going to be.
Speaker B:It did not turn out to be that right.
Speaker B:Now, what you did with Harley Quinn as a character was turn her into a gold digger.
Speaker B:Like, not a gold digger.
Speaker B:Because it's not about.
Speaker C:That's crazy.
Speaker B:It's not about the gold digging.
Speaker B:Harley Quinn essentially likes Joker because of the Joker part and not the Arthur Fleck part.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:That's clear by the end.
Speaker B:And the choice at the end.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:She had everything set up.
Speaker B:But it wasn't until he ruined the fantasy when he said in the courtroom, there is no.
Speaker B:It's just Arthur Fleck.
Speaker B:There is no joker.
Speaker B:It's one.
Speaker B:And it's one in the same.
Speaker B:I did that shit.
Speaker B:She left him.
Speaker B:He found her.
Speaker B:She said, I don't want to do this shit no more because you ruined the fantasy.
Speaker B:And that's all we had.
Speaker B:So you had a baby with somebody you didn't really love.
Speaker B:And you did this whole thing to like.
Speaker B:I don't think the director understood Harley Quinn, which means you used Harley Quinnipood and for.
Speaker B:For the sake of the musical.
Speaker B:And you use the Joker, which he didn't understand either, for the sake of a musical.
Speaker B:And these are two iconic characters that don't fit into what you just did with them.
Speaker C:I want to buzz in about Harley Quinn because this movie is so embarrassed of itself that we can't call her Harley.
Speaker C:We got a color, Lee.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker C:Todd, my man, I don't know if you know this.
Speaker C:The movie you're making is a sequel to a comic book movie.
Speaker C:And if you're embarrassed by those base elements, you're gonna have a tough time.
Speaker B:That's what I heard.
Speaker C:You wanna be cheeky?
Speaker C:Like, sure, call her Lee.
Speaker C:But then you take away her being a doctor, fine.
Speaker C:I'm good with different interpretations.
Speaker B:But she had her masters in psychology, though, Brian.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:Save.
Speaker C:Well, she went to grad school.
Speaker C:Okay, fine.
Speaker C:But it's setting up this really weird dichotomy where.
Speaker A:Where?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Harley Quinn is not the traditional victim of the Joker.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker A:Remember, see the last episode.
Speaker A:I don't want to see that shit.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:But to basically make her this.
Speaker C:What I get concerned about is, like, she is this woman who then is put in this position of like, well, I don't like you anymore.
Speaker C:Because you don't have the mat.
Speaker B:Bingo.
Speaker B:Bingo.
Speaker B:What's the difference?
Speaker C:There's no motivation.
Speaker C:At no point do we find out why Harley Lee, whoever the hell she is, why Lee wants to do this.
Speaker C:Like, and she come.
Speaker C:I don't think Todd Phillips meant for this to happen.
Speaker C:But she comes off as this, like, kind of wanna be goth girl who likes setting fires just cause she thinks it's funny.
Speaker C:And then she wants to go to, like, you know, she wants to go to Applebee's apple.
Speaker B:She wants excitement.
Speaker B:She's somebody who wants excitement.
Speaker B:And to Brian's point, I think he knew what he was doing.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna give him that much credit because you borrow these characters, but then you don't.
Speaker B:You try so hard to be the opposite of not wanting to be a comic book movie and just say, well, I'm using and inspired by these characters that you work so hard that you don't really understand the things that connects people to these characters.
Speaker B:And so for me, the Harley Quinn thing is, okay, cool, okay, she's not being abused by the Joker and being used like we've seen in the past, perfectly fine.
Speaker B:But what is the difference when you take away.
Speaker B:All right, now this is Marcus.
Speaker B:What's the difference when you take away a woman's full credentials as Doctor Harley Quinze, which she's always been, and you minimize it to, you know, she went to grad school, she starts fires because she's rich and she only wants the Joker because that was a popular thing in that time period to see a tv movie about a character.
Speaker B:So now she sneaks into the jail.
Speaker B:That is just as belittling to me, because now you're saying she's only in it for the excitement with no real separate, like, with no motivation.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:They tried to give Harley the same treatment that they gave Arthur fleck in the first movie.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:They tried so hard.
Speaker A:They said.
Speaker B:Didn't focus enough on it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They said, hey, he was obsessed with Robert De Niro.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that was part of the whole chase of what he wanted to be.
Speaker A:She saw the same thing on tv, and that's the reason why.
Speaker A:But again, they.
Speaker A:None of these ideas.
Speaker A:And this is where I think the movie truly sort of falls on top of its own self, underneath its own weight, is it has these ideas.
Speaker A:It introduced them, and then it just.
Speaker A:Right when you're like, okay, cool, I'm used to this.
Speaker A:It says, yes, now here's a new one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker A:He's in jail.
Speaker A:He's struggling with this duality of, like, who am I?
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:And again, who am I?
Speaker A:Is it my mental illness?
Speaker A:Or is it me?
Speaker A:Do I enjoy this?
Speaker A:Do I not enjoy this?
Speaker A:Like, those are all separate thoughts that they had within the same movie while he's behind bars.
Speaker A:And then they move, like, once you're like, okay, cool.
Speaker A:We're doing yet another character study awfully similar to the first one we did, but let's do it again.
Speaker A:Like, psych.
Speaker A:It's actually musical.
Speaker A:And you're like, wait, what the fuck?
Speaker A:Like, it's just, it, like, right.
Speaker A:When you get used to a concept, it sort of does the, now it's something else.
Speaker C:And like, I love the idea of this as a musical.
Speaker C:And I agree with you, Doug.
Speaker C:The, the minute it starts introducing a new concept to you, it's already ready.
Speaker C:And I know for, for listeners who can't see our livestream, I made a shoving motion at the end of Doug's comments because, like, this movie is, it's longer, but for some reason we keep shoving out all these elements that you, you want to sit with.
Speaker C:And instead we get like, all right, we're going to get a shot of Joaquin Phoenix laughing in the rain without a shirt for some reason, which, it looks great.
Speaker C:It is great cinema.
Speaker B:Cinematography was fire.
Speaker C:Cinematography.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Looked great with it.
Speaker C:100% great.
Speaker A:One positive I can give for this entire movie is yet again, whoever his director of cinematography was gets a fucking a plus because there were shots in here that I was like, that looks fucking sweet.
Speaker A:Like, it's outstanding.
Speaker C:But it, did it add anything to Arthur's journey?
Speaker C:No, it's just like, did you know he's sad?
Speaker C:And you're like, I do know he's sad, but like, what, so what's going on with Harley?
Speaker C:Is she like, like, what's her deal?
Speaker C:Do you understand Arthur sad?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes, I do.
Speaker C:I do understand that.
Speaker C:Watch it more.
Speaker C:And you're like, oh, okay, I will, I guess.
Speaker A:And then, but what about everybody else?
Speaker A:It's like, no, sad boy.
Speaker A:That's all we care about.
Speaker B:And it's a weird, that's a weird thing to dangle.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:The, hold on.
Speaker B:Let me backtrack a little bit to the mental health component of it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:The question is, hey, was this you or was it not right?
Speaker B:Did you, and almost felt like the, the defense attorney was trying to pressure Arthur into saying, yeah, I felt something different.
Speaker B:And then there's a lot of things about Arthur's background that they continued to bring up about how he was abused and all of these other things that would have been a great point to make about the justice system and how it handles mental health.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:How the system, none of the systems from the system.
Speaker B:She said the line.
Speaker B:So the systems failed him and we still blamed him.
Speaker B:That is a phenomenon I'm teaching about it.
Speaker B:In our race and justice course, right now, the systems need to be better for these types of scenarios.
Speaker B:But once again, when you want somebody singing all over the top of it, or you want somebody who.
Speaker B:Or you're trying to tell this story, this similar story about Joker for Harley Quinn, but you're rushing that story, and then you're introducing a bunch of side characters that don't like the officer.
Speaker B:Like Patty.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Why was Patty there?
Speaker B:Why did he have so many lines?
Speaker B:Like, what was the.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not understanding what was happening there.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:Great actor.
Speaker B:You have a.
Speaker B:You have a film.
Speaker C:Brendan Gleason.
Speaker C:Phenomenal.
Speaker B:The actors in this are good.
Speaker B:They're all good actors.
Speaker B:It's not that somebody was a bad actor.
Speaker B:The idea was the shit just wasn't cohesive and didn't connect together.
Speaker A:No, the story, it was.
Speaker A:This is a camel.
Speaker A:Like, this was like, we have four different things that we're just gonna stitch together and hope that we have something good on the other end of it.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker A:Go ahead, Brian.
Speaker C:I think the biggest.
Speaker C:The biggest flag for that me was when this movie opened with a Looney Tunes esque cartoon of the Joker.
Speaker C:Like, kind of.
Speaker C:Sort of, like, intro in the movie, kind of as a recap, kind of.
Speaker C:And like, I was like, oh, like, if we're introing with a cartoon, this is gonna, like, I can already tell this is gonna feel disjointed.
Speaker C:Like, I can't.
Speaker C:I can't even fully flesh out that thought right now.
Speaker C:But even then, I was like, this is gonna jump all over the place.
Speaker C:It's not gonna be cohesive because I don't.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I was already like, I don't know if I trust Todd Phillips to, like, like, connect this in a flourish that makes sense.
Speaker C:And I don't feel like it ever did because then it immediately cut to Arkham, and he's like, all right, go toss out your pee bucket.
Speaker C:You know, I would.
Speaker B:I would have preferred that they use the cartoon for the musical sequences.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because maybe that would have been the thing in the entire way to be like, every time there's a musical sequence, it shows the fantasy.
Speaker B:And the difference of this is what's in his head and what he's singing versus he goes from singing, and then you kind of do this light tap out of him not singing to kind of see, oh, he wasn't singing the whole time.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker C:And on top of that, the.
Speaker C:I cannot remember the song that was sung, but when he starts singing when they're doing, like, the televised, like, how are you feeling?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:How are you feeling?
Speaker C:He's like, I got a lady, and I feel fine.
Speaker C:There you go, roman.
Speaker C:I started singing, and he, like, he starts dancing around.
Speaker C:I'm like, oh, in my movie brain, I'm like, they're gonna probably.
Speaker C:They're gonna probably try to be really clever.
Speaker C:And the moment he, like, turns a corner, he's gonna be on this Broadway stage, and they're gonna do this musical number about how he's, like, in love with Harley Quinn.
Speaker C:And that's delusional.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:He just sings.
Speaker C:He just keeps singing in the prison tv room.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:And I kept waiting for it to change, and I was just like, oh, so that's.
Speaker C:That's how we're doing these musical sequences for, like, part of this.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A: other ones where we cut to a: Speaker A:The only comparison I have is it.
Speaker A:It looks like Soul Train.
Speaker C:Sharon, I don't know what you're kind of.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know why I went to Soul Train.
Speaker A:But that mean one I could envision.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:No page.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The clip you shared on Friday that they released when Lady Gaga was, like, jamming out on those keyboards that I definitely got the soul train from that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, yeah, they cut those pieces, but then they cut these things where it's like.
Speaker A:And this is where Brian.
Speaker A:Brian's describing that.
Speaker A:Like, who's.
Speaker A:Can other people hear the singing?
Speaker A:Is it in his own head?
Speaker A:And it's just so many different ways that it's hard to get used to a rhythm with what they're trying to do.
Speaker A:I do want to go back to this point with, like, someone brought up how, like, Todd Phillips and did they know what that.
Speaker A:Did he know what he was doing?
Speaker A:And sort of this piece.
Speaker A:So I'm going to read you an excerpt from an IGN article that is probably going to make you frustrated, so.
Speaker B:Don'T make another joke.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So here, IGN did an interview with him, and here's what he said.
Speaker A:One of the things that people never understood about the first movie was, I don't get it.
Speaker A:He visits Bruce Wayne, and he's 30 years older than Bruce Wayne.
Speaker A:What kind of geriatric Joker is he gonna fight in the future?
Speaker A:I don't know if you saw the script of the first movie.
Speaker A:It's called Joker.
Speaker A:It's not cold.
Speaker A:The Joker.
Speaker A:It's called Joker.
Speaker A:And the first film under the script always said an origin story.
Speaker A:It never said the origin story.
Speaker A:And so it was this idea that maybe this isn't the Joker, so maybe it's an inspiration.
Speaker A:That makes me no duh.
Speaker B:Motherfucker.
Speaker B:We caught that.
Speaker A:Yeah, we caught, like, we caught that.
Speaker A:And I feel like he's over here, like, being like, got you.
Speaker A:See, I was playing semantics the whole time.
Speaker A:You ever have, like, a friend who's like, see, I tricked you?
Speaker A:No, I.
Speaker A:Dude, I saw that coming.
Speaker A:Like, you didn't trick me at all.
Speaker A:Like, it just.
Speaker A:It feels like such a.
Speaker A:He was trying to really think really, really meta about it.
Speaker A:We were all like, dude, do less.
Speaker A:Like, we get it.
Speaker A:We see what you're trying to do here.
Speaker C:And it brings me to this point that I wrote down in my notes.
Speaker C:And basically, Todd Phillips, he.
Speaker C:And I do lay a lot of this at him because I do, too.
Speaker C:Because there were no test screenings.
Speaker C:He wrote it, he directed it.
Speaker B:You didn't want to.
Speaker B:You didn't want to do a comic book movie, so it's weird that you would want to.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:And this movie and I enjoy other works from Todd Phillips, and I respect the art.
Speaker C:However, for this piece of art, what it feels like is that he wanted to be so edgy and so meta that he makes this piece of art where he's just kind of tearing stuff out, and he's like, oh, this is gonna get a rise out of people.
Speaker C:And he makes it keep being so sharp.
Speaker C:It's like this piece of metal, and he keeps serrating the edges, and it's really rounded in some places, really smooth in others, but you keep just taking stuff out of it and adding stuff that's so jagged and at the end of it, what do you have if all you're trying to do be edgy?
Speaker C:You just.
Speaker C:You just have this.
Speaker C:This hunk of a piece of art where none of it matches up.
Speaker C:None of it.
Speaker C:None of it collides with each other in, like, a.
Speaker C:In a.
Speaker C:In a way that's satisfying.
Speaker C:It's just like, isn't that edgy?
Speaker C:And you're like, it's edgy, but it.
Speaker C:It doesn't.
Speaker C:There's no sum of its parts.
Speaker C:Edgy piece of art.
Speaker C:And, like, yeah, it's a.
Speaker B:That's my stomach.
Speaker B:You hear?
Speaker B:I did it twice.
Speaker B:I had to mute myself the first time.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker A:You're good, Brian, to your point, this feels like a.
Speaker A:Hey, Todd, we'd like you to make a comic book movie.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'm really into that.
Speaker A:Well, here's all this money.
Speaker A:Okay, I'll do it.
Speaker A:And then, like, they were like, hey, thanks for making that comic book movie.
Speaker A:Psych.
Speaker A:Fuck you.
Speaker A:It's not a comic book yet.
Speaker A:Like, yes.
Speaker A:It feels like he's looking at you going, like, nope.
Speaker A:Like, it's not.
Speaker A:Look at all the things I did.
Speaker A:He essentially, like, tore up the killing joke in front of somebody and went, he is all the pieces.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:Feels so unnecessary to be edgy.
Speaker B:Then.
Speaker B:It's not edgy, because edgy is not something you for.
Speaker B:It's something that you can do in a way where it makes sense.
Speaker B:And I also don't.
Speaker B:I think I don't know Todd Phillips, so, like.
Speaker B:And he don't give a fuck about me.
Speaker B:So equal.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:He better.
Speaker B:We are mutuals in that, right?
Speaker B:You don't give a fuck about me.
Speaker B:I don't know you, so I don't give a fuck about you because I don't know you out of all respect.
Speaker B:Like, for sure, you have a successful career.
Speaker B:You've made classics, and I get that.
Speaker B:And I understand, and I appreciate your art.
Speaker B:However, when you deny something for so long just for it to end up becoming this kind of messy, it's just as messy as any other comic book film that you hate.
Speaker B:You've now become the thing that.
Speaker B:That you didn't want to be.
Speaker B:The other thing I want to notice is, Brian and I were speaking.
Speaker B:James Gunn did not promote this movie.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:When Marcus told me this, I was like, no way.
Speaker C:There's got to be, like, one tweet.
Speaker C:Marcus is right, folks.
Speaker C:Never doubt Marcus.
Speaker C:He's right on the money.
Speaker C:James Gunn didn't say anything.
Speaker A:When it comes to James Gunn.
Speaker A:He's right on the money.
Speaker B:That's my guy.
Speaker B:James Gunn is my guy.
Speaker B:I like everything that he's doing so far.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So I just hope he doesn't turn out to be like, well, it was.
Speaker A:Interesting that you said about Todd Phillips, because here he is now, and if.
Speaker B:He walked in and now what, motherfucker?
Speaker B:Like, take this criticism, but I just think.
Speaker B:I think that all of these things are interesting, that you didn't want to do a testing because you knew somebody was gonna tear that shit up and not like it.
Speaker B:I do think that that's underlying in there.
Speaker B:You didn't want to show it to James Gunn because they said James Gunn did not have anything to do with the project.
Speaker B:He didn't even, like.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:No, he wasn't.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No, parts of it.
Speaker B:You don't even put the DC logo at the end of the movie.
Speaker B:You just have based off DC characters.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, you didn't really appreciate any of this shit.
Speaker B:You saw characters that it looked like you wanted to take and you did what you wanted to do with them, with comic book characters.
Speaker B:Like, you could have told this movie and not did a Joker or Harley, and I think maybe it would have been more successful because our basis isn't in those characters that we're familiar with.
Speaker A:You didn't need to call it Joker.
Speaker A:Like, you could have called it anything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Call it walking and call it the Phoenix and the end.
Speaker B:Gaga, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Yeah, man.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:And I think I.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:Here's the thing.
Speaker C:My, I enjoy these character pieces, especially for characters like the Joker.
Speaker C:When you hold it up next to Batman, Batman has terrible things happen to him, and he decides that he doesn't like bats, so no one's gonna like bats.
Speaker C:And he makes it literally everyone's problem.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:He becomes a hero because of it.
Speaker C:And this is not healthy behavior, but this is how this character deals with it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Joker as a contrast mirror.
Speaker C:He has bad things happen to him, and he decides to blame literally everyone around him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's fascinating to me.
Speaker C:I'm not saying either of these characters are inherently better or worse than the other, but, like, that's fascinating.
Speaker C:And I bring this up because then you get to a point where you have a sequel where the first movie has set up the Joker, the Joker, whatever you want to call him, I don't care.
Speaker C:Now, you set up Joker.
Speaker C:So in the second movie, where does that go?
Speaker C:Let's see the jokering that you have, that you have put out there.
Speaker A:Joker to the jokering.
Speaker C:And if you want to have this theme, you want to have this theme of, like, are you a person?
Speaker C:Are you the Joker?
Speaker C:Are there two people?
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:Dive into that.
Speaker C:Show me a musical sequence dealing with that.
Speaker C:Or if you want to have the theme of, like, what happens when you become so big and you have this follower who is only about the Persona.
Speaker C:Show me that.
Speaker C:Like, show me the shadow that casts when this person makes these choices.
Speaker C:That simply doesn't happen in this movie.
Speaker C:It merely presents the idea.
Speaker C:And then Lady Gaga slams on a keyboard, and then we.
Speaker C:Then the whole movie stops again.
Speaker C:Then we go to the courtroom.
Speaker C:It's never.
Speaker C:It's never explored.
Speaker C:It's just brought up.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I think you need it.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe you need it.
Speaker B:Maybe you need more gaga, right?
Speaker B:If I'm asking if I'm giving all these complaints, and I'm gonna give you solution, if you're trying to dive into how Gaga becomes Harley Quinn, Harley Quinze, then I think you have to do a little bit of.
Speaker B:You need more solo gaga sequences, because I know what Arthur's thinking in jail.
Speaker B:We know who Arthur is.
Speaker B:He meets somebody.
Speaker B:I think that.
Speaker B:That's lovely.
Speaker B:I think you have your front end of your movie where it's just Joaquin Phoenix's joker struggling with whatever it is, and give him a couple musicals that explain that you have Gaga, who.
Speaker B:We see who she is outside of the jail.
Speaker B:Like, I think that an introduction of her inside the jail is a little.
Speaker B:It didn't mean anything if she could check herself in and out.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Or maybe she did it to get closer to Joker.
Speaker B:You got to explain that a little bit better to me because she could been a stranger and come in and fall for him and then, like, inspire him in that way from the other side of the glass.
Speaker B:And now he has this motivation to get out.
Speaker B:And once he reveals it, then once he's on the outside and he says, I'm not Joker.
Speaker B:I'm just this.
Speaker B:Then she leaves, then that's more heartbreaking, because I fought to get outside on the opposite side of the glass.
Speaker B:Give him some motivation.
Speaker B:In the courtroom, all the motherfucker did was joke around with Gary Puddles.
Speaker A:And here's.
Speaker C:And here's the other thing.
Speaker A:And here's the other thing.
Speaker A:Here's.
Speaker A:That's a good point, Marcus.
Speaker A:That's a far more entertaining movie, and I would much rather have watched a.
Speaker A:The first act of this being two different halves of the same situation of while he is getting into jail for the first time.
Speaker A:Cut to Lady Gaga watching the made for tv movie and losing a song about love and first sight.
Speaker A:Like, I would much rather watch something like that.
Speaker A:And then it sets up that betrayal at the end for her as being far more impactful rather than, like.
Speaker A:Because first off, and I said this to Marcus after, like, the movie started, after the movie was over, I was like, she just goes walking into wherever the fuck she wants to whenever everyone.
Speaker B:With no explanation outside of the assumption that it's because her daddy's a doctor and I'm assuming some well known doctor.
Speaker A:I would have to assume.
Speaker A:But, like, even in that scene where she's, like, she walks through a crowd of reporters.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:To the law, to the lawyer for Arthur and the fact that she can get that close to her without there being a police officer in between them, with that kind of crowd is staggering.
Speaker A:And then secondly, that whole scene where they're like, where she's grabbing his knob when they're like, behind scenes at the courthouse and the police officers like, hey, no touching.
Speaker A:And she's grabbing.
Speaker A:How did she get over that?
Speaker B:I think we made that part of.
Speaker B:I don't think she actually.
Speaker C:I don't see that.
Speaker A:What happened.
Speaker C:I mean, it could be they.
Speaker C:That parts now, like, I agree with you.
Speaker C:I agree with you, Doug.
Speaker C:This was.
Speaker C:It makes you actively, like, not like, oh, man.
Speaker C:That visual.
Speaker C:That visual.
Speaker C:This happened.
Speaker B:You think this is a joke?
Speaker B:Give me that.
Speaker B:Walk.
Speaker B:Walk.
Speaker B:We phoenix.
Speaker B:Give me that.
Speaker C:You have to say the scene.
Speaker C:The scene, the romance scene, if we can even call it that, makes the eternals romance scene look like absolute.
Speaker A:So glad you brought it up.
Speaker C:We have direction, Roman.
Speaker C:See, this joker two scene was unhinged.
Speaker C:And I understand why it was done this way, but it was still hard to watch.
Speaker B:I think it.
Speaker B:I think it makes sense.
Speaker B:I think that scene makes sense, and I understand why you put it in there to show the passion.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just some lead up to it.
Speaker B:I didn't like outside of that.
Speaker B:I want to come back to that.
Speaker B:Here's my issue.
Speaker B:I'm glad that you bought that out of right.
Speaker B:For all of you motherfuckers that bombed the marvels.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Let's talk about it.
Speaker B:That's my immediate focus right now.
Speaker B:Is the marvels, right?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:I saw that movie.
Speaker B:That movie was not as bad as you motherfuckers bombed it out.
Speaker C:Holy.
Speaker C:But that movie is an Oscar nominated best picture compared.
Speaker B:I think that that movie.
Speaker B:I think that that movie was one of Marvel's best movies when it was shit storm of stuff out.
Speaker B:I think that it had a all female women led cast and that they killed it.
Speaker B:Telling the perspective from young with a diverse group of women.
Speaker B:I'll just say that.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And y'all bombed it and swore up and down it was the worst fucking shit.
Speaker B:Now I'm on a tangent.
Speaker B:Y'all swore up and fucking down that this was like the worst movie ever.
Speaker B:Y'all.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:Y'all swore it.
Speaker B:You swore, and we watched.
Speaker B:As for me personally, the black woman lead, right.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Is the.
Speaker B:Is one of the main components of a three woman lead that sometimes that's really hard to fucking do.
Speaker B:A three woman lead.
Speaker B:And of all the diverse backgrounds, and you're trying to tell that story.
Speaker B:That's fucking hard to do.
Speaker B:But guess what?
Speaker B:They did it.
Speaker B:And they did it well.
Speaker B:Y'all swore to me, a movie watcher, that that was the worst movie ever.
Speaker B:Ever.
Speaker B:And y'all bash the fuck out of it.
Speaker B:But now this time I'm not seeing the same bond.
Speaker B:Like, I still don't feel like this movie got the same kind of reaction that the Marvel.
Speaker C:I agree, Marcus.
Speaker A:That's because people didn't go to this one.
Speaker B:Well, I would hope.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker B:I hope.
Speaker A:And again, not to cite my sources, but I read two variety articles about.
Speaker A:And the second one I readdeze was somebody who went to a theater in Hollywood and he was like, it's shocking that I can get this met.
Speaker A:I can get a ticket for this showing.
Speaker A:And then he goes, well, let me just see if there's any for the IMAX.
Speaker A:Maybe people really wanted to see it in that.
Speaker A:They tried to.
Speaker A:He goes, wow, I can still get a seat.
Speaker A:A seat two minutes before this movie starts.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he said, nothing happened in this weekend.
Speaker B:There is no big.
Speaker B:This is, this is almost it.
Speaker B:This is almost.
Speaker B:And for us here in Vermillion, just locally, their homecoming is this week.
Speaker B:So this would be the perfect weekend to go see a double header like wild robot.
Speaker B:We even did a free movie Friday with this movie and with wild robot for the students on campus.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:Like, it felt like even the audience, when we went to the theater, I walked in and I was honestly shocked that on a Saturday at seven.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Theater was empty.
Speaker A:I was also shocked.
Speaker A:They said two things.
Speaker A:The art.
Speaker A:The author said that one, there were not a lot of people, like in like comic book garb.
Speaker A:There were a lot of people who were just there.
Speaker A:And he said it was, oddly, a lot of couples.
Speaker A:And I was like, that's a bold fucking choice.
Speaker A:Could you imagine that, like third date and you take your third date to fucking joke?
Speaker A:Or why is that?
Speaker B:Why does that not make sense?
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker B:I think from everything but everything that this movie promoted, this was supposed to be a love story.
Speaker B:And I don't think that we got the love story.
Speaker A:That's the problem.
Speaker B:It's two people singing about each other.
Speaker B:And I think post I say, yeah, that don't make sense because this wasn't really a love story.
Speaker B:But if they Harley and Joker, that those two characters scream, quote unquote, like a love story.
Speaker A:And that's, again, where I put some of this responsibility back on Todd Phillips and say, you knew what you were doing when you build it this way and you gave us a bait and switch.
Speaker A:You wanted us all to show up for this love story, and then you went, like, gotcha.
Speaker A:Like, and that's all you wanted to do.
Speaker A:I mean, could you imagine?
Speaker A:You're sitting there, you haven't, maybe you've kissed after the first date, and you're sitting in there on your third date, and you're watching this scene in the hole.
Speaker A:They're, like, passionate, you know, love making for the first time.
Speaker A:Could she.
Speaker C:That's what they call the hole in solitary.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Somehow cons her fucking way into solitary confinement, and they do that there also.
Speaker A:I was convinced for a large portion of this that that wasn't happening.
Speaker A:So the joke to Marcus and I was that he was just fucking a pile of mashed potatoes that he got for dinner, and it was his own, like, fantasy in his head.
Speaker B:But it makes it worse, because it really did turn out.
Speaker B:They did all these things.
Speaker B:You could have fixed this movie by saying, hey, she was not there the whole time.
Speaker C:I mean, right?
Speaker C:Well, that's what I also expect.
Speaker C:Part of me expected this, of this idea of, like, is she really there?
Speaker C:Is she?
Speaker C:Is she?
Speaker C:But the movie never gives you that suspense, ever.
Speaker C:It it singles her out.
Speaker C:They give her songs.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:She shows up.
Speaker A:She put a spotlight on her in the corner.
Speaker B:She robbed the tv.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:She takes a tv, like, they go.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna say they go out of their way, but they don't try to hide it.
Speaker C:You wouldn't put any of those sequences in the movie if you were trying to be like, is it all in his head?
Speaker C:Yeah, there's no suspense there.
Speaker C:So you don't care.
Speaker C:Which is my main thesis, is that this movie somehow made you not care about either Harley Quinn or Arthur Flack.
Speaker C:Joker.
Speaker C:They made you not care.
Speaker C:Which is like, it's impressive.
Speaker C:Like, I never thought I could just be like, eh, about the joker, but here I am looking at him in a courtroom, and I just don't care at all.
Speaker B:He fledger was the better.
Speaker B:It was the best joker.
Speaker B:And I think that that movie, that says a lot for the Dark Knight, because, yo, that movie covers so much as a basis, it almost switches for its focus primarily from Bruce as Batman, to allow the space for the, for you to build up this Joker in acts one and two.
Speaker B:So that when you do get that combination of these two motherfuckers going head to head, you feel, oh, I know this Batman.
Speaker B:I'm familiar with him.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I know this Joker as Heath Ledger.
Speaker B:He's a crazy motherfucker.
Speaker B:I see why that's going to be problem if this is a love story.
Speaker B:I never get that point of, like, I feel where these two are coming from and I can't wait for their love to collide.
Speaker B:I also never get the, um, she doesn't really care about you vibe.
Speaker B:I get, you know, the shot in the gut scene with the cher premonition a little.
Speaker B:And I thought it was good and I could tell it was hinting at something, but I just didn't know what the something would be.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It just wasn't worth anything.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just did not enjoy myself at all.
Speaker A:This movie was boring.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Like, not to be a dick.
Speaker A:Like, no, not to be a dick after just shit on it for 30 minutes, right?
Speaker A:But like, not to continue to pour on it, but like, this movie was just boring.
Speaker A:Like, there was just.
Speaker A:There was just nothing in there.
Speaker A:I could not imagine seeing this by myself.
Speaker A:Like, Brian, you are a fucking saint.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker A:Because there is no way I'm seeing.
Speaker A:There's no way I'm sitting through this movie if I'm watching it by myself.
Speaker A:If I couldn't have made the jokes that we made during this movie.
Speaker A:And I apologize to the people in the row behind us, but like, if there was.
Speaker A:If we couldn't have done that, this movie would have been so much worse.
Speaker A:There was a joke.
Speaker A:I did a sky, I did an irish accent for like ten minutes in the theater.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker A:And then, oh, I remember where it was.
Speaker A:You said when he was like being his own defense, you said, oh, cuz.
Speaker B:The motherfucker popped out with a southern.
Speaker B:He went from a KFC accent to a british accent, which I see what he was doing.
Speaker A:He was trying to be like, what?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And I get that.
Speaker B:But the bit went on too long and it just was like, yo, why the fuck are we.
Speaker B:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, why are we doing this?
Speaker A:I would have been.
Speaker A:If I had been in the jurors box, I would have been like, well done.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And that's the thing is that this movie, like, I thought this was gonna maybe be like a prison movie.
Speaker C:Like, like, oh, they're gonna be in the jail cells.
Speaker C:This is a courtroom drama.
Speaker A:It is a courtroom drama.
Speaker C:This movie is technically a courtroom drama.
Speaker C:But like, if you like courtroom dramas and this is like, I don't like.
Speaker C:There's better courtroom dramas.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:Worst episode of Law and Order ever.
Speaker C:Pretty much like, in it just.
Speaker C:I don't know if you really liked this movie.
Speaker C:And you're like, you guys are all off base.
Speaker C:I urge you, please, like, watch the Lincoln lawyer or Philadelphia.
Speaker C:Like, watch one of these really critically acclaimed courtroom dramas.
Speaker C:Because I feel like watch a few good men, enjoy a few good men.
Speaker C:Rules of engagement.
Speaker A:Like, twelve angry men.
Speaker A:Like an old school black and white.
Speaker A:Watch that one.
Speaker A:That one's awesome.
Speaker C:Like, you look at those movies as a courtroom drama and you understand how they build tension between these characters and this movie.
Speaker C:Like, actively refused to do that.
Speaker B:And even no interaction with Harvey Dent, like, the other side, there's no.
Speaker B:He was Joker and Harvey, I thought he was a good Harvey Dent.
Speaker C:I mean, he did young, did great.
Speaker C:The actor did great with Harry Lottie.
Speaker C:He did great with what he had.
Speaker C:But I mean, I was telling Marcus this and pre production.
Speaker C:Like, he only has logistical dialogue.
Speaker C:He's like, hey, we're gonna seek the death penalty.
Speaker C:Hey, I object.
Speaker A:He's forward.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker C:Pretty much.
Speaker C:Like, and so you don't really even get that much of Harvey Dent.
Speaker C:And also this doesn't need to be Harvey Dent.
Speaker A:Like, it literally could have been any lawyer ever.
Speaker C:Pretty much.
Speaker C:It's, it's really weird.
Speaker C:It's a weird decision to throw that name around when there's no gravity to it.
Speaker C:Which, if this is part of the joke, Todd Phillips, like, okay, cool.
Speaker C:I guess.
Speaker A:Well, and again, you can't, you went and said, oh, here's Harvey Dent.
Speaker A:But this isn't your joker.
Speaker A:Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's like, yeah.
Speaker A:That's the thing that, like, it bugs me is it's like he wants to try to push against the comic book formula and do something edgy.
Speaker A:But he still understands how he has to, if he wants people to show up, he still has to pepper some shit in there for people to put an ass in a seat.
Speaker A:It's like, I don't understand.
Speaker A:I don't want it to be something.
Speaker A:I don't want to do too much of the love story between Harley and, and Arthur because it's not their joker.
Speaker A:It's just a, it's a, it's an archetype for a joker.
Speaker A:So I don't want to push into that.
Speaker A:But I know that if I don't have that love story and I don't include her, no one's showing up for round two of a taxi driver.
Speaker A:But it's a comic book version.
Speaker C:This, this is almost like the whole problem with it is that Todd Phillips seems scared to commit to any one of these ideas with the force that when he does rebel against convention.
Speaker C:He, like, he's too scared to engage in it.
Speaker C:He's like, I rebelled.
Speaker C:And you're like, whoa, what are you going to do with that?
Speaker C:Hey, I'm going to rebel against the musical convention.
Speaker C:And they're just going to sing outside and you're like, whoa, what are you going to do with that?
Speaker A:Bold choice.
Speaker C:And it keeps happening.
Speaker C:He just keeps doing it.
Speaker C:He's like, hey, I'm going to show you Harvey Dent.
Speaker C:And he doesn't have the face.
Speaker C:You're like, whoa, what?
Speaker C:A rebellion against invention.
Speaker A:What, are you going to fix that?
Speaker A:Yeah, fuck me, man.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:He'll be knocked out towards the end of the third act, I guess.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, he never fully commits to this.
Speaker C:So these, these rebellions against convention go nowhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And your one setup doesn't set up other setups because Bruce Wayne is still a kid and Harvey Dennis, already a lawyer.
Speaker B:Early lawyer.
Speaker B:Yes, Joker is old.
Speaker B:And yes, you carved the new Joker, carved a smile on his face and like, okay, cool.
Speaker B:Like, I guess at the end, but still.
Speaker B:And Harley Quinn is still not the same age, so none of this shit is.
Speaker B:It's like, stop pulling shit out your ass and just say that.
Speaker B:That's just not what you wanted to do, and just tell the story I want to tell.
Speaker B:The story I want to tell.
Speaker B:All right, cool.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Then you should have just done that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I did not enjoy this.
Speaker C:It's very strange.
Speaker C:It's a very strange way to deliver this type of story.
Speaker A:I will say something positive before I finish out this movie because I.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do my best.
Speaker A:So I have.
Speaker A:I have two positives.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's not usually me.
Speaker A:I have two positives.
Speaker A:One I said before the cinematography again.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:There was a scene where they shut the door on Arthur, the prison door on Arthur, and he's in his room.
Speaker A:He's in his, smoking a cigarette.
Speaker A:And the, like, the drag on the cigarette sort of illuminates his face.
Speaker A:And I was like, that's a.
Speaker A:That is a good.
Speaker A:Well, that is a good.
Speaker A:That is a very good way of showing how isolated and alone he feels there.
Speaker A:Like, well done.
Speaker A:Kudos.
Speaker A:And I will say the scene with, although there was some, like, odd singing there, I do think the scene between the interviewer, so the tv reporter and Arthur, I thought that was well done and well executed, and I thought it did what this movie does well, which is the actors did a good job and art and, and Joaquin Phoenix, he understood the assignment for better or worse.
Speaker A:He was like, oh, I have to do that again.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker A:I can do that again.
Speaker A:Like, because that scene, he nailed it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Honestly, I feel like I do.
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:I have to be.
Speaker C:I have to find a positive here because, like, Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, they have great performances, and it's the point that I wish I could have seen more of it, like, especially Lady Gaga.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker C:We know.
Speaker C:We have.
Speaker C:I mean, we've talked about it earlier in this episode that entire sequences with her were cut.
Speaker C:And I do think there is a good story here talking about what happens when someone like Harley Quinn enters your life and is obsessed with the things that you're known for.
Speaker C:But how does that person handle all the other things that you are in a love relationship?
Speaker C:And if it is exploit, if it's an.
Speaker C:If it's exploitive, show that.
Speaker C:But we never get that because at the end of the movie, Arthur breaks out of the courtroom and then runs up the stairs, and he's like, we can be together.
Speaker C:And then, like, harley Quinn's just like, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker C:I'm gonna sing.
Speaker C:I'm gonna sing at you.
Speaker C:And he's like, please stop singing.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, wow, this movie's asking its own people to stop singing.
Speaker C:I don't know another way to phrase how this movie's going.
Speaker C:And then she just walks away with, no, I was trying to say something positive, and I ended up.
Speaker A:I ended up talking, no, Brian, you're fine.
Speaker A:I do want to say this.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I do think that there is a.
Speaker A:There is a problematic statement about expectations of one's own, like, of how people expect you to act.
Speaker A:And it does feel like Harley is very much pushing Arthur to be this, like, oh, I like it when you're dangerous and aggressive and assertive.
Speaker C:You like it when you ride a motorcycle.
Speaker A:I like it when you're.
Speaker A:I like it when you're hyper masculine, but when you're not, and you're just some fucking schmuck on the street, yo, I'm not interested in that.
Speaker A:Yo, that is unnerving.
Speaker A:Like, that's a.
Speaker A:That is an odd position to take.
Speaker A:So because usually the way that.
Speaker A:That plays out, like, in the other versions of this, and I talked about it last week, is that actually.
Speaker A:Is him being hyper masculine and, like, abusive to her?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's odd for her to be like, that's what I want.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's such a fucking weird.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker A:I don't want to get into it because I've, no, you're fine.
Speaker A:I'm introducing a new concept in my.
Speaker C:Conclusion, but it's, I did too.
Speaker C:I can't help myself.
Speaker C:Like Zazi beats.
Speaker C:I'm glad that you got a paycheck.
Speaker C:I'm glad you showed up.
Speaker C:You, you were just like, I'm clearly here for the paycheck I'm on.
Speaker C:So yeah, go watch the wild robot.
Speaker A:Go watch the, wow.
Speaker A:Go watch the wild robot.
Speaker B:Here's my conclusion.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker B:Everybody else gave one.
Speaker C:Do it.
Speaker B:This is a waste of my fucking time.
Speaker B:And I just honestly feel like I'll never get that back.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:And to be honest, I'm not even exaggerating with, with the idea that my, the most exciting part of this movie was the fact it was going to be over and I'll never have to watch it again.
Speaker A:He said that in the theater and.
Speaker B:I just honestly did not enjoy myself at all.
Speaker B:And that's not me shitting on a movie because I appreciate good art.
Speaker B:And I think that there are things in here that are nice.
Speaker B:Like if I get photo stills of the cinematography, I think that that was excellent.
Speaker B:Well done, that shit that I like.
Speaker B:And it's attractive to me.
Speaker B:I think Lady Gaga is a very talented, very beautiful woman.
Speaker B:I think Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I think acting was not an issue in this film.
Speaker B:Even chemistry, I think was done kind of well between Lady Gaga, Phoenix, as two opposite ends of what you would expect.
Speaker B:But as a movie as a whole, this wasted my fucking time.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker C:People agree with you.
Speaker A:So thanks.
Speaker C:The D on cinema score agrees.
Speaker B:I want even supposed to be here.
Speaker B:And that she was like, this is how mad I am.
Speaker B:I miss wrestling for this shit.
Speaker B:I miss bad blood.
Speaker A:The rocks came back saying that over and over again too.
Speaker B:I'm like, so, yeah, so thanks for thanks.
Speaker B:And Doug should be like, happy as hell.
Speaker B:I went with him to go watch.
Speaker A:This shit because he had an oil change, so he very well could have not.
Speaker C:I mean, he moved his haircut for.
Speaker B:My haircut, oil change.
Speaker C:Just, I mean, wrestling.
Speaker B:And I sacrificed a lot for the Joker man.
Speaker C:For the Joker man.
Speaker C:Those are some real hard maybe problems.
Speaker C:Maybe like, the real jokers were us the whole time.
Speaker A:That's why that's also folly de uno is me thinking that this was gonna.
Speaker C:Be.
Speaker B:The real joke was our asses along the way.
Speaker A: who live in Chicago had paid: Speaker C:I paid $10 thank you.
Speaker A:So, Marcus, the silver lining is.
Speaker B:Support local?
Speaker C:Yes, please.
Speaker A:Well, I have nothing else to say.
Speaker A:I have nothing else to say.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, what do you all have to plug this week?
Speaker C:Hey, folks, something that is not a waste of your time is the love nerds.
Speaker C:So go to etsy.com shop slash the love nerds, where you can go find all types of things that you can order and decorate for yourself.
Speaker C:My wife has a ton of designs up on there.
Speaker C:You can also go visit the website, the love nerds.com.
Speaker A:Also, I want to shout out Maggie for being an awesome mom and making a custom scarlet spider.
Speaker A:So I'm so fucking jealous.
Speaker A:I want her to make me a scarlet.
Speaker C:We can make it happen.
Speaker C:I also requested.
Speaker C:I was like, hey, I know you're making this for our eight year old son.
Speaker C:Fly as hell.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker A:What's your venmo?
Speaker A:I will get you what you need.
Speaker A:Um, so, yeah, just.
Speaker A:I want to do a quick shout out because that was that picture.
Speaker A:I was like, got it.
Speaker A:And it looks so fucking good, too.
Speaker A:Like, she had that spider logo.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker C:Do you want to know?
Speaker C:She free handed that.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:I was at the.
Speaker C:I was at the dinner table with her, and I was like, are you free handing the Scarlet Spider logo?
Speaker C:She's like, what?
Speaker C:Like, it's hard.
Speaker C:Like, straight out of like, like, what?
Speaker C:Like, it's hard.
Speaker C:And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Very hard.
Speaker B:I still struggle to draw the super free ham and Superman signal, and that s always comes out wobbly as shit every time.
Speaker C:Well, that's very kind of you.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Marcus, what do you got?
Speaker B:Make sure you follow the mantra.
Speaker B:Never finn it.
Speaker B:Always humble.
Speaker B:Somebody asks me, when are you dropping new music?
Speaker B:And I said, soon.
Speaker B:That's all I got for you.
Speaker B:So new music is coming soon.
Speaker B:Probably the first single within the next two to three weeks.
Speaker B:Exemption.
Speaker B:I mean, extortion will be out very, very soon, and then you'll get the rest of the my short ep project entitled Big Texas.
Speaker B:That'll be coming out.
Speaker B:But we don't want to rush it.
Speaker B:We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker B:But until then, listen to some soul tie.
Speaker B:S o u l t y e.
Speaker B:Fooling you is out.
Speaker B:Right now.
Speaker B:I've got music that is still out.
Speaker B:Go ahead and relisten the things before we drop any music.
Speaker B:But whatever you do, follow the mantra.
Speaker B:Never offend it.
Speaker B:Always humble.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I want to plug this podcast.
Speaker A:Hey, if you enjoyed our diet tribe that was talking about Joker two, like, no, we don't have it yet.
Speaker A:Just relax.
Speaker A:We don't have it yet.
Speaker A:Just relax.
Speaker A:If you enjoyed our conversation about Joker to share us with a friend or a family member, it's the best way to support the podcast.
Speaker A:If you are feeling generous, hop over to that patreon.
Speaker A:Go to patreon.com films in black and white.
Speaker A:Sign up there.
Speaker A:Great to have you.
Speaker A:And make sure I want to put in a quick plug for next week.
Speaker A:So next week I'm going to come with a thorough homework assignment.
Speaker A:Oh, gentlemen, I'm going to roast the Harry Potter movies.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:So strap in because I am going to come.
Speaker A:I'm going to come hard.
Speaker A:Harry, if you're a potter head, if you're a pothead, tune in because there's going to be disappointed.
Speaker B:Can you also do another game?
Speaker B:Like, is it just a.
Speaker B:Is it just a newsweek?
Speaker B:Next week it is.
Speaker B:Oh awesome.
Speaker B:Can we do another game?
Speaker B:That's my favorite game.
Speaker B:Also do a ranking or some sort.
Speaker B:We'll do something like that.
Speaker A:Episode.
Speaker A:But I do intend on bringing some homework, so be sure to tune in next week.
Speaker A:Yes, we did.
Speaker A:Gentlemen, we have a three step process to success.
Speaker A:Brian, what is that first step?
Speaker C:Hey folks, I'm here to tell you to read a book.
Speaker C:It's magical.
Speaker C:It can take you places.
Speaker C:It can.
Speaker C:It can help you sort out your thoughts.
Speaker C:If you maybe saw like images for 2 hours that, that didn't really vibe with you.
Speaker C:You can read a book and put new thoughts in there.
Speaker C:So go read a book.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Marcus, what do you got, sir?
Speaker B:Make sure you drink some water.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, it's getting a nice little cool breeze outside, but global warming is fucking us up, which means the sun will be out all the time.
Speaker B:So that means you need to drink some water.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, treat yourself to some nice, you just have to.
Speaker B:A tall bottle of water as well.
Speaker B:Whatever you do, make sure you drink some water, baby.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Hey, look, the third step is, look, wash your ass.
Speaker A:We hinted at it before.
Speaker A:We made a little joke about, you know, being in solitary confinement.
Speaker A:I like that milk.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:But wash your ass.
Speaker A:Look, we are about to be cooped up inside.
Speaker A:We are starting to feel crisp breeze in the air, which means winter is on its way.
Speaker A:It's coming.
Speaker A:So make sure that you are washing your ass.
Speaker A:And because when you're trapped inside with folks, there's no hiding that, that smell of you cutting onions, there's just no way to get away from it.
Speaker A:So make sure you wash your ass in general.
Speaker A:That does it for this week's episode.
Speaker A:Of films in black and white.
Speaker A:We will be back next week with another gamesy but fantastic episode of the podesthe.
Speaker A:But in the meantime, and in the between time, stay safe, stay healthy.
Speaker A:We love you all.
Speaker A:We appreciate you all.
Speaker A:We'll catch you all next week.
Speaker C:Bye.
